Subject: SMML VOL 1524 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 00:25:09 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: It's Dizzy Fault 2: Refueling Subs/Collision Mats 3: Re: HMAS Perth 4: Re: AO-64 5: Re: AO-64 6: Re: Ships and Tips 7: Re: AO64 8: Re: AO64 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Trade Lionel Trains for Ship kits -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: GUSDOCVILL@aol.com Subject: It's Dizzy Fault Dizzy, Your tour in RVN is much appreciated!! I was on a Gearing class DD in the North Atlantic, during October, playing war games. Got washed down the side of the ship during a repr, saved by the rail netting, but did lose one man overboard. Never found in the rough seas. I was with 1st Recon, May 67 - June 68. My patrol like to claim that Tet started with us. Grace and peace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, bless you and your beloved family. Gus HM2 Semper Fi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Joel Labow Subject: Refueling Subs/Collision Mats >> Whilst reading those interesting tales of refueling at sea, I became curious about two things. Were submarines refueled and resupplied in this manner, or did they rely on "mother ships"? I don't recall ever seeing or hearing about submarines participating in such an operation as has been the subject of recent Journal threads. Nuclear powered subs don't need fuel replenishing at sea, of course. Also, did the vessels involved use collision mats to minimize the damage that might be caused in a "bumping"? << Franklyn, US diesel subs were not equipped to refuel at sea, nor were US tankers configured to carry diesel fuel. Given the immense cruising radius of a diesel sub it really wasn't necessary, and subs keep topside gear to an absolute minimum to reduce flow noise when submerged. Refueling units didn't use fenders...they would have been at risk to be carried away in any kind of sea state and and wouldn't have done much to ameliorate the damage from a collision. Fenders were really designed to protect your paintwork rather than to prevent serious damage. I once saw an AO rig fenders when a DD with a fleet-wide reputation for erratic shiphandling came alongside, but they were making a statement rather than seriously trying to protect themselves. Best regards, Joel Labow CAPT, USN (ret) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Mark Brayshaw" Subject: Re: HMAS Perth Thanks to all the other Perthophiles who responded to this thread. HMAS Perth is largely forgotten in Australia, even at the Australian War Memorial (which I heartily urge everyone - even non-Aussies - to visit once in their life) has very little on her. Even more forgotten is her captain - Hector M L Waller. My father was in the RAN when I was a small kid - late 50's early 60's and even then in the service Waller was a legend as a small ship driver. Thanks to all Mark Brayshaw -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Sam Pullig Subject: Re: AO-64 There must be most of the sailors from 69-71 on this list. One other note. We used large rubber cylinders as mats. I do not remember ever hitting. We did have problems with the landing craft, MSOs etc. We went so slow or did the unreps at rest so that the wallow or swell would cause us to bump. The only real bump was from a LST coming out of the river to get stores for her brood of river boats. Those guys had a real War. On the question of subs, I think they carried enough stores and fuel for a full patrol. They would go and come from a set base. I realize this is a "family" list but what are your thoughts about the best liberty port? I vote for Singapore. The Rafles Hotel had British colonialism oozing out of the woodwork. They would not let American sailors stay there but we did get to go to the bar and have a Singapore Sling. Neat place, just sorry I did not get across the island to the British base, would have loved to see the HMS ships. Samuel W. Pullig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: AO-64 Franklyn funny you should ask about Submarines - I was just talking to a WWII vet about it. He said the only time they did an UNREP during the war was to get more shells for the deck guns as that is what they would run out of. They also used that opportunity to trade movies and sometimes personnel. Pretty sure this was from sub to sub. I think there is a John Wayne movie or someone like that shows them trading movies. Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE - Naval & Aviation Artist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Ships and Tips >> I just got another issue of the IPMS/USA Journal, and once again it doesn't have the old "Ships 'n Tips" column. Is the column officially dead or what? I know Rusty doesn't do it any more. << Art, I hope it isn't dead. I had high hopes that the guy that took over for me would continue the ships column in the future. I had to drop the column when I was made Chairman of the 2003 Convention. If some on this list wants to do a ships column, please do so. Contact David Von Almen at the IPMS/USA Journal and he'll get you set up. Please, someone do it. We ship modelers are underrepresented in IPMS/USA as it is. Contact David Von Almen at: vonalmen@mindspring.com Rusty White 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Jeremiah O. Coughlin" Subject: Re: AO64 >> Whilst reading those interesting tales of refueling at sea, I became curious about two things. Were submarines refueled and resupplied in this manner, or did they rely on "mother ships"? I don't recall ever seeing or hearing about submarines participating in such an operation as has been the subject of recent Journal threads. Nuclear powered subs don't need fuel replenishing at sea, of course. Also, did the vessels involved use collision mats to minimize the damage that might be caused in a "bumping"? << While looking over some old B&W pics I took I found some of a sub that came along side our can to deliver mail and swap movies. The Number on the conning tower was 272, looking it up it was the Redfin. She was painted gray, but some of them I remembered were painted black, some black and gray. We maintained course and speed, she came up on our Stb side. I have pictures of subs tied up along side of cans, (outboard) one # 404, Spikefish in color. have shots of A Fletcher class, (Cassin Young 793) tied up inboard of 2-Sumners and 1-DE. I have pictures of us refueling on both port and Stb.sides from AO's, have some with Cv's and a CA on the port side of an AO, us on the Stb. Someone stated that cans only refueled their port side to an AO's Stb. my pictures refute this. Have shots with the Salamonie AO 26, Marias AO 57, and others. CV's, Boxer CV 21, Oriskany Cv 34, Tarawa CV 40, Antietam Cv 36, and others. Have a beautiful slide of the Sullivan's DD 537 pulling away from along side of us at high speed with the spray stopped in mid air. Found my trusty shellback card, lat 00 00' 00", long 81 24' 03" west, Bluenose card for the artic circle, 01. 24' 00". Found our Christmas menu and Roster for 1955, 17 Officers, 4 Chiefs, 222 enlisted men, 243 total. Most are gone now. Long ago, far away. jeremiah.... PS I'll get back to modeling and rocking chairs. joc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: cpowewax@att.net Subject: Re: AO64 Never heard of or saw what you call collision mats? On the tankers we had large rubber fenders, but these would no good for the force incurred when two ships collide. As to Submarines in 20+ years I saw exactly one US Submarine surface at sea. When serving aboard USS Wasp CVS-18 a US Submarine surfaced to allow the transfer of a critically ill crewmember. This was so unusual that the C.O. invited all hands to the flight deck to take pictures. The Boomer was on the surface long enough for us to have a helo pick up the ill crewmember, and drop his replacement aboard the sub. The Boomer then immediately submerged. It is also worth noting that every Carrier Battle Group (CBG) has at least SSN Fast Attack Boat with it all the time, just to prevent problems with other subs, and to protect the CBG. In the late 1960's the biggest UNREP problem was with Russian Trawlers refusing to yield right of way to our UNREP task group when actually engaged in UNREP. Many times especially in the eastern Med. these vessels would refuse to yield right of way until the last possible moment. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Mike Pierce" Subject: Trade Lionel Trains for Ship kits Is ther any shipmodelers out there who also model Lionel Trains and would be interested in trading trains for your ship kit. I am looking for a IS Hood kit. Thanks Mike Pierce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume