Subject: SMML VOL 1525 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:47:52 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: classic waships books #15 and #16 2: Re: HMAS Perth 3: Please decipher the jargon! 4: Refueling submarines at sea 5: KNM SKJOLD 6: Refuelling-replenishment 7: Seattle News - Homeland harbor defense 8: Skywave Equipment Sets and Tamiya Heavy/Light Vessel Sets 9: Protected cruiser 10: HMAS Perth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: German "Graphite Gray" 2: International Maritime Modeling February 2002 Update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Billgior@aol.com Subject: classic waships books #15 and #16 dear smml members i just received my copies of warship pictorial #15 kriegsmarine schnellboote and warship pictorial #16 uss new jersey. let me just say that these two books are pact with excellent photographs and some in color also, plus with the kriegsmarine schnellboote you get and excellent color drawings showing her different camo patterns. anyone who likes the uss iowa class will like the uss new jersey book. just when we thought we saw all the photos of the new jersey steve wiper always surprises us with excellent photos that know one has seen before. steves books just keep getting better and better. for all you modelers these are two books you will want in your collection. so steve keep up the good work. best regards bill giordano -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Mark Brown" Subject: Re: HMAS Perth Mark wrote... >> HMAS Perth is largely forgotten in Australia, even at the Australian War Memorial (which I heartily urge everyone - even non-Aussies - to visit once in their life) has very little on her. Even more forgotten is her captain - Hector M L Waller. My father was in the RAN when I was a small kid - late 50's early 60's and even then in the service Waller was a legend as a small ship driver. << The action in which she fought alongside the Houston was a heroic one (both ships being almost out of ammunition, to the point where AA guns were being used to confuse the enemy into thinking they had no problem!). It is a shame that the movies and TV feel the need to play fast and loose with history when the truth is far more interesting. In relation to the AWM, I don't know how well the Perth is represented in the museum (I haven't been for years) but the online collection of photos is superb. A search for "HMAS Perth", "HMAS Sydney" or "HMAS Hobart" will yield 3-400 pictures of each ship! Lots of excellent close in shots of the crew at work. These are the sorts of photos that I had hoped would exist for the Hood. Why are there so few day to day photos of RN ships? Did they censor the photographs? You can access the database at..... http://www.awm.gov.au/database/photo.asp I am creating a 3d computer model of Perth using trueSpace 5 at this moment. I have used it as an exercise to learn trueSpace and will be starting again from scratch when I can get good plans from somewhere. With a computer model you can easily start again :) Mark Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Norman Samish" Subject: Please decipher the jargon! Great sea stories, keep 'em coming! But us landlubbers need some education to really understand them. For example, I can only guess at the meaning of MSO, UNREP and REPR. Thanks, Norm Samish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Michael London" Subject: Refueling submarines at sea >> Whilst reading those interesting tales of refueling at sea, I became curious about two things. Were submarines refueled and resupplied in this manner, or did they rely on "mother ships"? I don't recall ever seeing or hearing about submarines participating in such an operation as has been the subject of recent Journal threads. Nuclear powered subs don't need fuel replenishing at sea, of course. << The German Navy made use of replenishment submarines during WW 2. Called "milch cows" these were very large boats capable of carrying all manner of stores to help keep the U-boats operational. Displacing 1,600 tons they could supply up to 34 tons of fuel in North Atlantic and 85 tons in South Atlantic, their major sphere of operation. They had no torpedo tubes or minelaying shafts. In addition to fuel they carried spare parts, provisions and, occasionally, torpedoes. They were designated Type XIV and were based on the Type VIIC but had large external tanks. (From"Interrogation of U-Boat Survivors - Cumulative Edition, June 1944" now de-classified). Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Hege Stølen Subject: KNM SKJOLD HEI, EVERYBODY INTERESTED IN STEALTH SHIPS. HERE IS THE INTERNET ADDRESS TO KNM SKJOLD: www. knmskjold.org FROM toroco@c2i.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Kelvin Mok" Subject: Refuelling-replenishment The stories about ship to ship replenishment at sea are really interesting. Thanks. I am no sailor so excuse my nautical terms. My question are how many ships can one supply ship service and how many days can a supply ship remain at sea before she has to head for port to restock. Also what is the usual sailing distance between a supply ship and its port. The impression is that supply ships are an unending supply of goodies that keeps the fighting ships at sea but are themselves modest cargo type ships often smaller than the ships they resupply with fuel, ammo, food, etc. It would almost seem that the supply ships would therefore be kept running around like busy ants from port to the fleet and vice versa. In the mid Pacific or the mid Atlantic that would be quite a feat. Kelvin Mok -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Seattle News - Homeland harbor defense http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/photos/photo.asp?PhotoID=8467 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Skywave Equipment Sets and Tamiya Heavy/Light Vessel Sets At the risk of sounding dumb, I have never seen any of these Skywave (or Tamiya) equipment sets for the IJN and USN and I wonder are they worth the price and do they make a significant difference in outfitting BBs, CA, CVs, Avs, etc? Are they the same as Leviithan upgrades? Thanks. Gene Katz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: roberto paredes Subject: Protected cruiser Hi guys, If somebody likes the old ships, you should visit: http://warship.simplenet.com/MinistroZenteno.htm If you have any comment, please, let me know. Best regards, Roberto Paredes Sitio No Oficial del Ejército y Armada de Chile http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3389/homeffaa.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: HMAS Perth Several people have commented on a prospective Sydney model by NNT. I think you have wires crossed here - NNT (the shop) lists Sydney as a future B-Resina issue. No dates shown. Perhaps some of the traders who deal with B-Resina could shed light on this? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: German "Graphite Gray" Hi Art, "Graphite Gray" is included as "Dunkelgrau 2" (RAL 7024) on page 2 of the Snyder & Short Kriegsmarine Set 1. Cheers, John Snyder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Felix Bustelo Subject: International Maritime Modeling February 2002 Update I am pleased to announce that the February 2002 update to International Maritime Modeling has been uploaded. http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm The February 2002 update to the site includes: Photos of Robert Adamson's 1/450 scale HIJMS Akagi and 1/480 scale USS Yorktown, Peter Hall's 1/600 scale HMS Tiger and Keith Kuehn's scratchbuilt 1/240 scale U-15 and 1/240 scale Novgorod in the Gallery. Review of the KazusaMinato Navy Yard 1/500 HIJMS Taiho in Quick Kit Reviews. Review of the Gold Medal Models 1/500 scale WW2 Imperial Japanese Navy Aircraft Carrier Detail Set in Photoetch Reviews. Review of Warship Pictorial #2: USS Minneapolis CA-36 and Battleship Scharnhorst (Conway Maritime Modeller's Series) in Book Reviews. Updated the Cascade Modelwerks and Trumpeter pages in the Kits List page. Updated the Model Ship Journal page with the latest issue. Related updates to the Links page. Check out the What's News section of IMM for a major kit announcement from Cascade Modelwerks. Please stop be for a look. Felix Bustelo International Maritime Modeling URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume