Subject: SMML VOL 1526 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:05:33 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: classic waships books #15 and #16 2: Re: Graphite Gray 3: Please decipher the jargon! 4: Re: It's Dizzy Fault 5: Re: Refuelling-replenishment 6: Re: classic warships books #15 and #16 7: Re: Skywave Equipment Sets and Tamiya Heavy/Light Vessel Sets 8: Re: Various -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Re: The proposed Northwest Minicon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: Re: classic waships books #15 and #16 Hi Guys I, too, recently have purchased the books from Classic warship #15 Kriegsmarine Schnellboot and #16 USS New Jersey. They are great. They will help out with modeling projects. Also when Victor Baca publishes his next issue of Model Ship Journal. I sent him 72 photos from the deck of the New Jersey to use for his articles.I hope that the attempt for deck pictures also helps fill in gaps about the New Jersey. For Gene Katz . Skywave accessories are worth the money. Try AAA hobbies in Magnolia NJ at 856-435-1188. They carry them. Plus they have mail order Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Shannon Mark" Subject: Re: Graphite Gray >> I've seen that some German ships in WWII (such as the Lutzow and Emden) were at times painted up in a color that has been referred to as "graphite gray" in English. << I don't have a lot of information on this. Certain the S&S chipsets could be used to give a WWII version, and from what I can tell, the WWI colors were not all that different. There is an article at: http://german-navy.tripod.com/sms_paint-overview.htm That talks about the WWI colors. From some cross-referencing I did, the light gray RAL 7001 Hellgrau 50 is near as needed to FS36375 (US Light Ghost Gray) and the dark gray RAL 7000 Blaugrau 51 is near to FS 35237 (Blue Gray) - so pick your favorite brand. RAL 7000 is also called 'Squirrel Grey' and RAL 7001 is 'Silver Grey'. RAL 7016 'Antracit' or Anthracite Grey is matched by Humbrol 134 Satin Blue, Xtracolor X802 Antracit Grau, or Testors 2021 (old type, not MM) To me it seems closer to a 60-40 mix of Testor's MM FS 35044 Insignia Blue and 16081 Navy Gray. RAL 7021 is the familiar Panzer Gray. Schiffsbodenfarbe RAL 8013 seems a bit browner than Humbrol #160, and slightly lighter. Deckfarbe Blau seems to be as near as anything to a 50-50 mix of FS35042 Sea Blue and FS35044 Insignia Blue. Remember that the RAL designations were re-drawn in the late 40's early 50's, and some of the designations changed. At one point I did a search on RAL Color System and got a site where the current colors and their names were posted. Unfortunately, I have only been able to get spot-matches of FS or paint mix colors to RAL. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Please decipher the jargon! >> Great sea stories, keep 'em coming! But us landlubbers need some education to really understand them. For example, I can only guess at the meaning of MSO, UNREP and REPR. << For the acronym challenged, here is a good page on the US Naval Academy site: http://www.nadn.navy.mil/MISLO/acronym.html HTH FWIW Kurt Greiner - COMSEAPHOMARPHOCO SeaPhoto Maritime Photography www.warshipphotos.com Now taking credit cards via Paypal! Warship Models Underway www.warshipmodelsunderway.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Dizzydismal@cs.com Subject: Re: It's Dizzy Fault I really appreaciate your thoughts. I certainly lost a few good men over there. Could not be helped, nothing we could do. The problem was that I joined to Navy to escape the draft. I was going to sit out the war on a ship, three hots and a cot. I had wanted a ship to call my own. The best laid plans..... Thanks Dennis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Jeremiah O. Coughlin" Subject: Re: Refuelling-replenishment >> The stories about ship to ship replenishment at sea are really interesting. Thanks. I am no sailor so excuse my nautical terms. My question are how many ships can one supply ship service and how many days can a supply ship remain at sea before she has to head for port to restock. Also what is the usual sailing distance between a supply ship and its port. << Fleet oilers would start out with their well decks almost awash, (3-4') after some days of topping off they would be riding high out of the water, I would estimate 15-20'. Once one went MT on us, took in all lines, ran up "73", and headed back to port to refuel again. This train of replenishing ships was on going for the USN, most Navies relied on their scattered bases for rearming, refueling etc. the US didn't have many. We took on ammo from the Shasta AE 6 once, normally we would fire off all our 5" rounds for shore Bombardment, then Plane Guard until we were low on bug juice and Spam, then head back to Sasabo or Yukuska to replenish everything. One man=1-5" shell, or 1-case of 40 mm, or 20 mm. Then the 5" powder, cases of dry stores, potatoes were always in 100# crates. All hands not actually on watch had to bear a hand with this chain of workers. Master at Arms and Fire watch personnel would search for slackers hiding out, we would snitch them out if we knew.(Misery loves company). It would take more than a day to complete this job, we would be fed a specially large meal afterwards. Didn't help, we were all lean and mean, never got to sit down long enough to fatten up. Coming back to the states we would usually fire off all of our ammo except for small arms, survey, then deep six all of our spare parts except for fittings and fasteners. All food other than canned went over also. Then we would rearm and replenish with everything new including new gun barrels or liners. Salt water takes it's toll on metal parts even if they are coated with cosmoline. Long ago, far away. jeremiah.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: IAAFru2@aol.com Subject: Re: classic warships books #15 and #16 Where do I get these books? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: IAAFru2@aol.com Subject: Re: Skywave Equipment Sets and Tamiya Heavy/Light Vessel Sets >> Do they make a significant difference in outfitting BBs, CA, CVs, Avs, etc? << Is the POPE Catholic? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Various Few notes: To Norman Samish sorry, MSO: Ocean Mine Sweeper - those are usually the large wooden - non-magnetic ones that were built in the 1950s. UNREP: Underway Replenishment - ship to ship transfer of oil, stores or ammunition at sea. Not sure what REPR is - after my time I guess. To Kelvin Mok - Yes they did have to go back to port to get their own supplies - ours operated from the Philippines and maybe Japan - not sure on the later. But you could always tell when it was time - talk about being high out of the water. Boot topping was showing all around the ship - looked like about 10 feet of her water line would be out of the water if she was big like an AO or AOE - any of you guys serve on these ships to confirm this, I am not sure how much was showing but it was alot. Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Rick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: The proposed Northwest Minicon Wife, this is how it is. I'm going. No discussion. Er.... Please, darling, can I go out and play with a bunch of friends I've never met in person? I promise I won't be out late! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume