Subject: SMML VOL 1533 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:02:51 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: airless air brush 2: Re: airless air brush 3: Re: better than dremel? 4: ships' bells 5: KGV 1945 colour scheme 6: Re: AOE speeds 7: Revell Schnellboot S-100 8: Dremel 9: Re: AOE Speeds and John Snyder 10: Re: Airless Air Brush 11: California Book 12: Understating performance parameters -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Darren Subject: Re: airless air brush >> Has anyone heard of an airless air brush? Recently there has been available airless spray paint systems for painting houses and such. Seems like a very usefull idea for an air brush system, no compressed gas, could use indoors safely without spray booth and NO overspray. << I don't know if this is something new or not. Many many moons ago, I helped my dad paint our back fence. He rented an airless paint gun. It plugged in and vibrated a lot and made the hand feel numb after a while. I can't remember exactly how it worked, but I think it was a diaphragm attached to a motor. It still sprayed like a regular paint gun. If this is what you are talking about, it isn't an improvement, it just saves hauling a compressor to worksites. Darren -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: airless air brush >> Has anyone heard of an airless air brush? Recently there has been available airless spray paint systems for painting houses and such. Seems like a very usefull idea for an air brush system, no compressed gas, could use indoors safely without spray booth and NO overspray << Don't believe everything you read in advertising hype. I have used a so-called airless spray painter. All it does is replace a separate compressor with a self-contained buzzer-type pump, similar to one you might use as an aquarium aerator. Other than that, it is an airbrush, albeit a large one. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Rodney Lersch" Subject: Re: better than dremel? Dremel router bits are basically hobby bits, not really designed for the type of work you want to do. Besides being a ship modeller, I make my living as a woodworker. My best advise would be to invest in a "real" router, nothing against Dremel as I use mine often, they're just not right for the type of work you want to do. You can buy an inexpensive router that will handle 1/4" shanks and then you'll have literally hundreds of different profile bits available for edging your bases. I would however invest in "good quality" bits, carbide not hss, and with roller guide bearings not the straight pilot guides. The roller guides won't burn your wood. These bits aren't cheap but with the proper care they'll last a long time. As with any tool, you get what you pay for. This is just my 2 cents worth. Like you, I make my own bases, some with covers some without. Whatever you decide, good luck and I hope I was at least some help. Best wishes Rod Lersch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Shirley Sachsen Subject: ships' bells >> I am assuming 'Store' here means warehouse or storage facility and not a retail store. The US Navy does not scrap ships bells, they are removed before the ship is sent to the scrappers. I also believe that the Navy does not sell to bells to anyone. Most are donated to the namesake city or state, loaned to museums, or stored away for safekeeping. << not entirely true.... the bell for the USS Hornet was found at an 'antique shop' somewhere in Southern California. the shop owner had it outside on the front porch. the finder paid cash for it and had it flown to the ship, which at that time had just been newly turned over to the Foundation. the shop owner recognized an opportunity and, as I was told, the buyer had to pay top dollar for it. so it is possible that the same had occurred with the Canberra's bell. S. Sachsen, Archivist USS Hornet Museum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: KGV 1945 colour scheme From Robert Dumas's article in Warship 11, the scheme carried from July 1944 to the end of 1945 was Admiralty Standard Type B, overall G45 with a panel of B20 on the hull side. The panel stretched from just in front of the foremost point of the breakwater to just aft of the thicker section of the barrels of the aft 15" turret. The top is level with the top of the armoured belt. Deck colour is not given but I believe that the wood was unpainted and horizontal metal surfaces (according to Alan Raven's article in PSM 1997/1, p24) were B15. My latest WEM list (04/02/2002) includes none of these colours (!) but I imagine that they are on the case and are doing the early colours first. Robert Lockie Swindon UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: CPOWEWAX@att.net Subject: Re: AOE speeds Lets put it this way as a Plankowner on USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN69) our first skippers nickname amongst the crew was 35knot Ramsey. And as stated thats not all she was capable of. When leaving GTMO harbor during our first ORE we steamed past the (unamed AOE) @35knots, because after three attempts to do a weapons UNREP this AOE was unable to complete any attempted transfers to IKE do to their rig failures. And yes the previously stated estimates do give realistic figures. As far as I know all maximum performance info is still classified, as it should be. Lets put it this way when the Ronald Reagan goes out on Builders sea trials you really would want to its track on a radar scope in real time, of be nearby on a vessel to watch. Even the Neosho AO143 which was built to support Forrestal and later class CV's could refuel at 20 knots, and she burned NSFO commissioned in 1954. Wayne E. Weatherwax CPO,USN(ret) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Axel Wolters" Subject: Revell Schnellboot S-100 Hi all SMMLies outside Germany, the Schnellboot-Kit is available here since a few weeks. A buddy of mine got one and he was impressed by the high quality and the many details of this kit. The kit is much, much better than any other older Revell shipkit. Probably the problem for you in the USA and anywhere else is, that just two weeks ago the big and famous "Spielwarenmesse Nürnberg" (Nuremberg Toy fair) was held and that Hobbyists and Importers mostly wait with their orders until the fair has finished. I am sure, that the kits will be shipped to the states soon. In Germany, you will find empty shelves in the hobby stores after christmas too and you will have to wait until mid of february, when the toy fair is over. BEFORE, the toy and hobby shops mostly dont send their orders to the kit and toy companies/importers. So one has to be patient and spend his waiting-time building one of the many unbuilt kits in his cellar or attic. (I speak for myself). Greetings from Germany Axel Wolters -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Dremel May I suggest making a sleeve to be presssed (or even soldered) onto the Dremel bit's shaft to enable one to use Dremel bits in other chucks? The inner diameter would have to be 1/8 inch suitable for the Dremel, the outside diameter whatever is required. Worth a try, but be careful. Similar adapters might be made to allow other larger shank bits in the Dremel. In any case, use with extreme caution, for such a jury rig contradicts the manufacturer's design parameters. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: GKingzett@aol.com Subject: Re: AOE Speeds and John Snyder >> If we tell you, we'll have to kill you! ;^) << Not surprisingly, John, that is exactly what I expected someone to say. I wonder, as an expatriate, (not ex-patriot) how you handle the idea that you carry around all this classified knowledge in a somewhat foreign country. Do strange men with magnifying glasses follow you down those country lanes? Do they ask you all sorts of leading questions while you are trying to enjoy a pint or two? Of course, they already exposed you (pun unintended) to their modern version of Mata Hari, and you went for it in a heartbeat.......... Gary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: royrichey@att.net Subject: Re: Airless Air Brush Ike, The 'airless' paint sprayer uses a pump to force the paint through a nozzle that atomizes it. Still get overspray and paint mist, just no compressor and better (? sometimes) control. Son-in-law is a painter, still uses the compressor sprayers for the big jobs. Roy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: California Book >> You were too kind in your assessment of the Tuner Publications book on the BB-44. In two words - It sucks! << Steve Now that you said it (and I didn't)...after thumbing through it a bit last night the book has the feel of being more akin to a coffee table book for former crew members and/or their families rather than a serious historical piece. My guess is that's what their target audience was. Based on the few I've seen, it has a cruise book feel to it (without decent pics of the ship). There's a lady where I work who's grandfather served on the Prune Barge in WWII. I wore my cap to work and went ape when she saw it. This book struck me as the sort of thing she'd buy for her boys to read about grandpa's ship. Not for the serious naval buff. I asked about the book here a few years back, but never got a reply. I had my doubts, but given how little there is on the California out there, I figured it was worth the risk (I was wrong). All I can say is it was a major disappointment after having read Gruner's Blue Water Beat. Of course, that leads to the obvious question, Steve...are we going to see a California book from CW? I'm sure that would be superb!! Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Understating performance parameters As a contractor working on certain naval programs we were briefed on what we could or could not say about the performance of a certain ship or submarine. The recommended words to be used in non-cleared situations was ... "Speeds in excess of 20 knots, depths in excess of 400 feet". Use those and you would have no trouble with the security people Ed Mansfield, TX (not a ship in sight) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume