Subject: SMML VOL 1540 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:56:21 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Ship speeds 2: Re: ships speed 3: Re: Pearl Harbor 4: Re: 1:600 kits 5: Re: 1/600 Scale Kits: Oh, Yeah! 6: Tamiya KGV reference 7: Airfix 1/600 destroyer re-release 8: Re: Pearl Harbor 9: SD14 Model 10: Re: Small stuff in 1:600 11: Update 1/600 12: Re: Repulse 13: Re: Pearl Harbor 14: Hull or Waterline in Large Scales 15: Re: Pearl Harbor 16: Re: sub speeds 17: 1/600 scale/a story -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Books FS 2: DD445 Fletcher (Tamiya 1/350) for sale ... $20.00 3: Books for sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Robert Morris" Subject: Ship speeds All these tales of 30-40 knot make me jealous. My first ship cruised at 9 knots and had a top speed of 11 or so. Engine RPM was counted by watching the crankshaft while another man called out a minute on his watch. 53 RPM gave 9 knots. The ship was TUTUILA ARG-4. the year,68. Robert Morris North Benton OH USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Justin D Richard" Subject: Re: ships speed >> Also the "lil' Beaver Sqd. had been out a long time, the boiler furnace chrome ore overheated and ran, hadn't been rebuilt in over a year. To do 31 Kts. in that condition was outstanding. Old snipes know this stuff. << In the book "DesRon 23" by Ken Jones, the 31-knot speed is creditied to a squadron ships' engine problems that limited her to 31 knots, and thus the remainder of the squadron. Cant remember the ship (SPENCE?), but when Burke signaled in the problem, so became "31-knot Burke." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: IAAFru2@aol.com Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor I believe what you may have seen is the bridge which goes to the USS UTAH memorial on the other side of Oahu. Check out this reference USS UTAH ASSOCIATION OFFICIAL WEB SITE Scroll down a ways and you will find info on this bridge. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Ted0330@aol.com Subject: Re: 1:600 kits I like this scale, as well as 1:350. What I wonder is if anyone is doing an HMS Tiger kit. We have so many kits of WW2 ships that are functional and powerful, but not beautiful. We've had several kits of the Hood, but none of the Tiger, an equally beautiful ship. Any thoughts? Ted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Chuck Messer" Subject: Re: 1/600 Scale Kits: Oh, Yeah! I would also like to put in my vote for more kits in 1/600. It was a shame that Airfix stopped producing new ships after the Belfast, KGV, Repulse, and Prinz Eugen. I would love to see some Italian ships in that scale. Vitorio Veneto, Gulio Ceseare, Zara class cruisers. They were some beautiful ships. Bella, bella! I would also like to put in a good word for Iron Shipwrights, esp. Ted Paris. I recently bought a 1/350 scale HMS Hesperus. A very nice kit. However, the bridge was riddled with holes. When I e-mailed them asking how to repair the problem, Ted offered to mail me a replacement part. I took him up on it, and he also sent me several other parts. Just thought I'd add some positive strokes to the discussion. The resin people are doing some great stuff. Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: " Kjetil Lindahl" Subject: Tamiya KGV reference I finished my KGV some time ago and used the Raven/Roberts "British battleships of WW2" as my main reference. It has detailed drawings for 1945 and 1940, but is short of photos of KGV after the 1944 refit. The best source of late war kgv photos i could find was at the Australian War Memoral Photo Database website. It has a dozen or more sharp closeups and onboard shots of the ship and her sisters in Australian waters in 1945. Just search for the ships name. Here is the link: http://www.awm.gov.au/database/photo.asp The next link is to a color photo of KGV of Japan at the Naval Historical Center home page. http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/k06000/k06523c.htm Kjetil Lindahl -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Franz Aigner GmbH" Subject: Airfix 1/600 destroyer re-release Hannant's latest "Hot news sheet" lists a combination of Cossack, Campeltown, Hotspur and Narvik class for L 9.99. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor >> I have a question for some of you familiar with the present day Pearl Harbor. A few weeks ago I saw a photograph of some ship in harbor, and in the background it looked like there was a bridge going to Ford Island. It this correct? I kept forgetting about this topic, or I would have posted earlier. I can't recall where I saw the photo. On the other hand, is there some bridge near or around the Harbor that I could have misinterpreted as going to Ford Island? << The bridge was added to facilitate the tours aboard the USS Missouri. It also allowed the navy to retire the FI Ferry. I suppose it does not interfere with the carrier docks inland of the sub base, but haven't seen really good overhead photos to know. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: nd.ward@virgin.net Subject: SD14 Model Yes, there is a model of the SD 14 cargo ship - 1/70 Scale, This scales out at about 2.4m. Scheuer & Struever in Germany stock it (www.scheuer-struever.de). At a whopping 485 Euros. This is more a simulation of the construction of a real ship, in card......but where do you keep it? Also I notice that Hannants in the UK are advertising the Airfix destroyer pack, Cossack, Hotspur, Campbeltown and Narvik at 9.99GBP (16th Feb) Dave Ward -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Small stuff in 1:600 >> Surely someone can put out some of the smaller vessels in resin - sloops, A/S vessels, how about an Insect class or a Flower class??. I would be happy with just enough for me to then add the detailing. << Hi; Peter Webster asked for small craft in 1:600. I wargame as well as modeling and there are 3 manufacturers in WWII (and a few WWI ) sloops and such. You can even get an outrageous number of PT / MTB / Schnellboat types. By the way, you CAN get FLOWERS!! 2 of the manufacturers are doing theirs in white metal and the third is in resin. Bear in mind that these are "wargame" models. They need a good bit of work to be model show quality, especially the 2 white metal manufacturers. First the resin manufacturer. PT Dockyard s the name, from New York. He has a large list of good models. They are waterline. I'm working on a WWII Italian SPICA class DE, when muscle spasms in my hands allow. I have a few hundred of his models for wargaming and they could be made nto nice models with some work. They are usually well cast and accurate. The second manufacturer (in white metal) is Skytrex. They are from the UK, and have a large line. They have a few destroyers as well as sloops and such and the smaller coastals. They are somewhat rougher and would need more work to do a display model. The third manufacturer is SDD. They are also a UK firm and produce in white metal. There are destroyers and smaller and their quality is between the first 2 manufacturers. The problem with SDD is that he has a "day job" and can't seem to keep up to any sort of production schedule. All 3 manufacturers can be found in the manufacturer's directory at The Miniatures Page. Write me off list for more info. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister eGroups : WoodenWalls Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: GUSDOCVILL@aol.com Subject: Update 1/600 Mates, All this talk about 1/600 sparked my interest. I checked and WOW!!! to my amazement, I have three OLD 1/600 kits!! Remember MPC? I build the HMS Suffolk and HMS Ajax back in February 1983. That was a time when I knew enough to be dangerous, VERY DANGEROUS!!! First, allow me to state that my one and only reference available to me, is M.J. Whitley's Cruisers of World War II. I have already noted numerous mistake in his book, thus I could be in error with my comments. I ask one and all's most humble forgiveness. That is why I write -- to be accurate. Based on what I now know (and please correct me if I am wrong!!), MPC mislabeled the Suffolk as a battle cruiser and the Ajax as a destroyer. It is my belief that Suffolk is more of a heavy cruiser and Ajax a light cruiser. I believe the kit represents Suffolk when in the Norwegian Campaign of 1940, and Ajax when she was at the Battle of River Platte, 13 - 19 December 1939. I am trying to save money to purchase WEM's PE sets for both ships and trying to "refit" both ships. I am asking you all for help in appropriate colors for decks, hull and camouflage patterns. How the funnels, yardarms, fore and aft masts, were rigged. Back in 1983, the only reference I had available to me on British WW2 ships was the boxtop art. If anyone has it, are the colors on the boxtop accurate? I do not go back and "refit" my ships because I have to many to build ( 231). But, I have discovered that these few plastic British WW2 ships do not exist. The available models of these ship are all resin and at present, that is too rich for my pocketbook. So to preserve history, I have to go back and refit these two ladies. In 1983, I had only read about the amazing history of the WW2 Royal Navy and her ships, having never seen any models of the Royal Navy. As Airfix and MPC brought them out, they were poor kits, lack any detail and I knew nothing about the detail of these beautiful ships. As time passed, Japanese and American ships became abundant. Thus, my collection of these ships became extensive. Now WEM and resin has entered the picture and one cannot get enough British ships!! Excellent!!! I would love to have models of the Dido, Black Prince, Repuse, Ark Royal, Queen Elizabeth. . .the list is endless!! Well, that's my sob story! I pray you all can help me with my small Royal Navy fleet. Gus Semper Fi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Energi9830@aol.com Subject: Re: Repulse Someone asked about the Repulse in your latest issue. White Ensign was working on producing that for almost a year now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: CDRSKI@aol.com Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Rod, You are correct. there is a bridge to Ford Island. It was built in the mid to late 90's to eliminate the need for ferry and boat traffic accross the harbor for the people who work out there. The bridge is a drawbridge, however I have never seen it open since I've been here. One interesting fact is that while they were dredging for the construction of the bridge they found an unexploded Japaneese torpedo. It has been made safe and is now on display in the Arizona museum. Kind of makes me wonder how much more is out there. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Ken LeClair Subject: Hull or Waterline in Large Scales Hello Ship Modellers, I find myself in a situation I'm sure most of you have found yourselves in before. I have a 1/350 battleship hull, exacto knife ready to cut along the waterline. What holds my hand back is the hard earned dollars paid for such a beautiful kit. One of the many decisions we have to make in life, full hull or waterline, what will look better, should I switch to armour, will I ever finish this model, good thing there's SMML. Regards, Ken LeClair, MS HMCS Protecteur, Victoria, Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Burl Burlingame Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Yes there is now a bridge running out to Ford Island. It was completed about five years ago. It's hideous. The center span retracts so ships can pass. Burl Burlingame -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Burl Burlingame Subject: Re: sub speeds Some years ago I was attending maneuvers on a US Navy sub (NOT the Greenville!) as a guest journalist. I was eyeing the speed and depth gauges and making notes and the XO saw me and hustled over to say such information was classified. "So I shouldn't say that the submarine cruises at 120 knots and routinely dives to 12,000 feet?" I said. He smiled. "Well, THAT would be all right." Burl Burlingame -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "john fiebke" Subject: 1/600 scale/a story So I decided last Sunday to actually complete a kit...and dug my half assembled 1/700 Tamiya Indianapolis out of the "shipyard" drawer, where it was keeping company with many other half finished kits. I somehow managed in one day to finish constructions, airbrush it, put ALL of the GMM details on it, touch it up, weather it and flat coat it. My girlfriend, wandering what I was doing all day, walks in to take a look at the completed model. The first words.. "Where's the bottom?" She eventually noticed the railings, the microscopic this and microscopic that..but couldn't grasp the whole waterline philosophy. Then she told me to finish the 1/400 Illustrious that sits 50% complete nearby. It has a bottom. PS: thanks to all those who answered my query about the Arii 1/600 Yamato. It will soon be in line with its 1/700 and 1/350 friends. john fiebke -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Jtennier@aol.com Subject: Books FS Good Day Shane: I'm hoping you could spare a minute to post the following items FS on the SMML: 1. "Soviet Bloc Merchant Ships", small torn out piece in front DJ, otherwise like new $15.00 2. And for those who may have friends enjoying an "alternative" lifestyle": Military Engineering, Part IIIA, 1915 Reprint, Under authority of HMSO, Military Engineering, Part IIIB, 1914, Under authority HMSO, Field Service Regulations, Vol II (Operations), 1929. HMSO Conditions for the Engineering volumes are vg to good+. The FSR is good, the back cover is becoming a bit loose (these were not printed as high quality volumes!). The above sold as a group, $40. Postage extra. Best regards, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Zeljko Hanich Subject: DD445 Fletcher (Tamiya 1/350) for sale ... $20.00 Hi, I am selling a few kits of DD445 Fletcher (Tamiya 1/350 kit 78012). All inner begs are sealed and box is in perfect, mint condition. I ask $20.00 each + postage cost. Please, contact me directly to: hanich@zg.tel.hr Thanks, Zeljko -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Zeljko Hanich Subject: Books for sale Hi, I am selling two books in mint, as new condition: - U.S.Battlehips - An Illustrated Design History, author Norman Friedman, Ship Plans by Alan Raven and A.D.Baker III, great reference, published by Naval Institute Press ... price $48 postage INCLUDED! - 12152 Building and Detailing Scale Model Ships, author Mike Ashey ( Kalmbach Books ), a lot about usage of PE sets, resin, water dioramas, weathering, scratchbuilding .... $14 postage INCLUDED! Please, contact me directly to my address: hanich@zg.tel.hr Thanks, Zeljko -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume