Subject: SMML VOL 1544 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:41:44 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: 1/96 scale lifeboats 2: Re: Various 3: Re: Talcum Powder for super flat finish 4: Don't worry about the Navy budget request 5: IHP 'Never Were' ship kits 6: Squadron Green Putty 7: ICM Website 8: Re: Putty 9: Re: Dont worry about Navy budget request 10: Chinese KGV & POW kits 11: seaview color 12: Sub speed 13: British Marines lose bearings & Invade Spain 14: Re: Pearl Harbor Bridge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: E-Boat / Schnellboot Plans Online 2: SAMEK RESIN KITS FOR SALE 3: Warship Pictorials clearance -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/96 scale lifeboats >> You can get some wonderfully-detailed resin 1/96 fters (www.bluejacketincscale 26' motor whaleboats created by John Haynes from the Floating Drydock (www.floatingdrydock.com). While neither resin nor wood, BlueJacket Shipcra.com) offers cast britannia ships' boats in a variety of scales and types. << I haven't the faintest idea what happened here!!! Let's try again.. :-) You can get some wonderfully-detailed resin 1/96 scale 26' motor whaleboats created by John Haynes from The Floating Drydock (www.floatingdrydock.com). While neither resin nor wood, BlueJacket Shipcrafters (www.bluejacketinc.com) offers cast britannia ships' boats in a variety of scales and types. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Various >> As well as the almost unobtainable Raven & Robetrts British Battleships, the obtainable (if at ruinous prices!) Man o'War on the class is worth having. << Actually, that isn't one of the Man o' War series; it's Ensign 1, and we have a couple in stock. >> As to the Tamiya 1/350 example, Mike Gould reviewed it in Scale Models in September 1986. The configuration is, according to him and apparently true from the photos I have seen of it, that of post-March 1944, when she was refitted for operations with the British Pacific Fleet. << That's correct. If you want to build any of the early KGV class, it's better to start with the PRINCE OF WALES kit, since she was sunk before any major modifications took place. >> I would mix the paint with a little bit of talcum powder when painting clothing. It would give you a flat that was way beyond dull-coat flat. << There's a tip I hadn't thought of in a while. When I was a kid, and my 6-years-older cousin was beginning to infect me with the modelling bug (for which there's no cure--except to build more models), he used the same technique, since there weren't any flat paints on the market in the early '50s. In his case, he usually used talcum powder mixed with clear Testors Dope as a sanding sealer on balsa or basswood models (the latter by Sterling). He also sometimes used it, however, to create flat paint finishes. I hadn't considered it for ship modeling, but it looks like I'll have to give it a try--if I can ever get back to actually building models.... >> P.S. Anybody know how I can kitbash a 1/700 or 1/350 kit to represent Shenandoah Class AD? << Alan, I assume you're referring to GRAND CANYON? I know there used to be a couple of C-3 kits around in 1/700 scale; I bought one to convert into USS ST. GEORGE, on which my uncle served and on which he was aboard when she was kamikazed at Kerama Retto (it's still in the box!). I don't know of any in 1/350 scale, but Revell used to make a C-3 that's been sold in various guises (my first build of it was as the Matson HAWAIIAN PILOT); box scale, but not a bad kit in its day if you can find one.... Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models (...now moving forward and up on the starboard side, down and aft on the port side, just like we did on BAINBRIDGE....) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Talcum Powder for super flat finish I worked for a company called Sinclair Paints for many years. And a form of Talcum powder is what is actually used to make paint flat. Believe it or not, most if not all paint, have a gloss to it when it is manufactured. To make a semi-glosss or flat finish it has to be dull down with a flatener - such as a form of talcum powder. Mike NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Dave Shirlaw Subject: Don't worry about the Navy budget request Don't forget also that the four oldest Trident submarines are being converted to cruise missile and special operations forces SSGN. The remaining C4 Trident equipped boats are being upgraded to D5 standard. Both of these programs are a quantum leap in US Naval operating capability. Also included are funds to finally being the replacement of the USCGs elderly WHEC and WMEC fleets. Dave Shirlaw Editor, Seawaves Magazine www.seawaves.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Mike Bartel Subject: IHP 'Never Were' ship kits I wanted to make everyone aware that there is currently one of my old 1921 ST ANDREW BB kits on eBay. I also wanted to let everyone know that this is one of only 10 kits ever produced. Good luck! Mike Bartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Mike Bartel Subject: Squadron Green Putty >> I don't believe that Green putty would stick at all to resin. Certainly standard toluene based tube glue doesn't work on resin kits. I usually use either CA glue or the aforementioned Bondo putty for resin parts. << I've had good luck with Squadron Green on all the types of resin I've gotten from different casters. I'm using it now on my HO Bombardier commuter cars. For static models, it's fine, but if you're doing an R/C ship/boat model, use Bondo on the hulls. Also, I've found Squadron to work on metal parts, though it definitely doesn't adhere like it does to plastic or resin. Mike Bartel IHP http://ihphobby.tripod.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Lionel Ng" Subject: ICM Website what is the homepage website address of ICM? Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: DONRCSHIPS@aol.com Subject: Re: Putty Good Morning from your Portland Rustbucket. I was wondering is there any difference between the white and green putty by Single Squadron, I use the white all of the time when I build my hulls, I have use it on Plactic hulls and when I am scratch building hulls as well seems to work good so far and I also run my ships in ponds and never had a problem as of yet? (I run and build RC scale ships), But I have often wonder what is the difference between the two,? IF you read the information that is on back it says the same from what I can remember but it been a couple of months since I Have pick up any more Yes it good to work with but I sure dont like the smell. if there is something out there that works just as good and dont have that strong smell. I would be intrested. I Do all of my filling work out side Don FRom Portland Oregon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Tom Kremer Subject: Re: Dont worry about Navy budget request >> I guess everybody assumed a Republican would just dive right in and spend untold trillions on defense just to spend it. I for one am reassured by the calm and calculated approach the administration is taking - they are looking at what we need to buy. << Your joking, right? The uniformed services have not even been a part of Rumsfeld's big defense review. It is all a bunch of Washington insiders who thanks to 9/11 have been given a blank check for political patronage. Just one example... last year the Army was trying to de-emphasize the Crusader system to free up funds to make their force structure more appropriate for anticipated future conflicts. This year it is being shoved down their throats... just what they need to defend against a major Soviet invasion of Western Europe. Carlyle Group is notorious for winning pork DOD contracts but this takes the cake. It is hard to understand how such a staggering amount of money can be spent on defense without either the Navy getting enough ships or the Air Force enough planes to replace normal aging and attrition, until you realize that the amount spent on "consulting" will rise from 10 billion last year to an estimated 30 billion next year. Beltway bandits rejoice. Tom K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Chinese KGV & POW kits Hi, This could be asked before, but I just saw in the local hobby shop some 1/350 kits of the KGV and the POW (also a Bismarck, I believe) by a company called New mini Models or something like that (had only ten minutes to look around before the next train and I was just looking for some paint). The kits seem to be Chinese in origin and as they were on the same stack as the Sovremenny by Trumpeter I assume them to be from the same source.... Question is, what is the quality of these kits? Are they plain copies of the Tamiya kits? As they are about 1/3 cheaper than the Tamiya-ones they could be nice alternatives. TIA Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Harry Gilday" Subject: seaview color Does anybody know what the seaview exterior color should be. i just got the polar lights kit & the instructions say blue. some pictures i have seen look like light gray. i want the model to be authentic & im not sure which color would look best. i would appricate some opinions please. HARRY GILDAY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Scott Weeks" Subject: Sub speed I have been waiting for a few days to see if anybody replied to the notion of "WEIGHT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A SUBMARINES SPEED," knowing that there are people more qualified than I to comment on it. Since no one has, I must "weigh in" with a few thoughts. The first thought, and it was addressed in the email that contained the aforementioned quote, is that perhaps instead of weight, one should address mass in regards to submarine speed. Mass went up from the Skipjack to the Permit to the Sturgeon, and all the while the force to move them stayed the same. Newtonian physics will show that acceleration will go down in such circumstances, and principles of naval/maritime architecture show that top speed will also go down in the same circumstances. >> the reason Submarines can only go so fast is shape which equates to resistance or drag and propeller shape, size and efficiency << I'll agree that hull shape has a lot to do with submarine speed, perhaps more than a surface ship, but a submarine still has the constraints dictated by physics and maritime architecture listed above. In fact, for ANY ship, if the mass doubles, the propulsive requirements quadruple, to achieve the original speed parameters. >> If she at a hover condition (Read Boomer) she is neutrally buoyant or SSN (read Fast Attach Boat) so there for weighs as much as the water surrounding her to in effect while submerge red she weighs nothing. << As far as neutral buoyancy is concerned, anytime the submarine is submerged the buoyancy is neutral, not just when hovering; if not, the Chief of the Watch is derelict in his duties regarding the boat's trim and buoyancy condition. OK, done ranting, thanks for your attention. Scott whose own experiences with submarine hovering systems were less than satisfactory. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: British Marines lose bearings & Invade Spain British Troops invaded Spain on Sunday -- but beat a hasty retreat when bemused locals infornmed them their seaborn landing exercise had strayed off course onto a Spanish beach near Gibraltar. Officials said on Monday that about 20 Royal Marines had spent a few minutes on Spanish soil, some distance from their intended training target on the British Colony. Spain moved quickly to avoid further blushes for Britain, dismissing the incident as a genuine mistake. "2 landing craft from HMS Ocean acidentaly entered Spanish waters & in bad weather one landed on the beach a few yeards from the Spanish side of the border," a British Minitry of denfense spokesman tld Reuters. the 2 countries hope to reach a deal on the colony's future in the next few months but many of the 30,000 inhabitants of "the rock", as the penisula is known, say they will not accept any move towards Spanish sovereignty. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Burl Burlingame Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Bridge To correct any confusion: The bridge to Ford Island was NOT built to accommodate tours of the USS Missouri. It was in the works before the ship was mothballed. The US Navy, in fact, would prefer that the battleship not be moored in Pearl Harbor. Also, the Japanese torpedo was discovered while dredging for the "battleship pier" at Ford Island, not the bridge. It was intact when discovered, but the Navy base commander ordered it destroyed immediately. What is on display at the USS Arizona Memorial Visitos Center is a large piece of the remains. Burl Burlingame -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: JKrakow@aol.com Subject: E-Boat / Schnellboot Plans Online http://www.prinzeugen.com/Plans.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Peyton Richardson" Subject: SAMEK RESIN KITS FOR SALE Hello Shane, Have the following Kits FOR SALE that have never been opened: 1. SA706 USN DD The Sullivans (W/PHOTOETCH) $22 2. SA712 HMS YORK (Heavy Cruiser) $36 Shipping Charges added to price. Both Kits to 1 buyer $55US + Shipping. Thanks. 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