Subject: SMML VOL 1547 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:02:13 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Hawaii sugar cane 2: Re: Starboard up and forward memories 3: Building your own ship's boats 4: Re: Tamiya 1/72 PT-15 JMSDF boat 5: Re: Starboard up and forward memories 6: Decals on Flat Surfaces 7: Thank you 8: Re: Tamiya 1/72 PT-15 JMSDF boat 9: H-1 on Oahu 10: Re: Dusting 11: What color were they 12: Mast and radar USS NEW JERSEY 13: The HMT Rhona Disaster 14: LCU 1600? 15: Squadron putty and Schnellboot plans 16: Re: US CVN's under construction 17: Re: US CVN's under construction 18: Re: Fehgrau 19: Re: Color Cross-references -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Kits For Free -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Hawaii sugar cane When I was in Hawaii about 2 years ago I went out the volancoes @ Mt Kilowao (excuse the spelling), & I was told that reason sugar cane is not done anymore is that many people don't want to cut the cane any more & it was getting cheaper to import it, than make it on the spot..as for the land, the island I went to they were converting what they can to housing as I recall being told about aussie sugar cane is that cane lands are not much good for anything else in the way of crops because of what has to be done to the soil etc. Not sure about the highway, I remember going past Pearl to go the navy storage yards & sneaked a few photos between the wire. Its located behind some high school. & there is the large shopping centre just past the navy base, not as big as the one closest to the city at the marinas but it was pretty new looking, so that might have taken up some of the old sugar cane lands PS: I think the name of the shopping centre just past Pearl harbour is eitther the Pearl City Shopping centre or the pearlridge centre (I think its this one) all located on Kamehameha Hwy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: Starboard up and forward memories >> just behind us, in dry-dock, was the USS Forestall (CVA-59). It was being repaired from the huge fire and explosions that had occurred on the flight deck. The whole aft of the ship was removed down to the waterline at the stern and tapered up from there. One of the things we were told is that most of the people who lost their lives in the disaster were below decks, particularly under the flight deck under the fire. << When I was aboard FORRESTAL in 1969-70, our office was under #4 cable, port side. Our "ceiling" was the flight deck. Timing is everything... Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Building your own ship's boats >> Why don't you attempt to make your own using the vacuform system. It's relatively easy to do. All that is required is to carve the first one from a fairly hard wood, then use that plug as the mold. << Or you can use the plug to make a fiberglass mold and have the ability to pop off as many thin-shell ship's boats as you need. Either method works well and you don't need to hold up your project waiting for a ship's boat hull that may never be offered commercially. Happy shipbuilding! Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "TIMOTHY BROOKS" Subject: Re: Tamiya 1/72 PT-15 JMSDF boat Hi, Boatbuilder. I believe that this boat is a derivative of the Brave Borderer boats designed by Vosper. The "other" Tamiya 1/72 Perkasa is an absolute Vosper boat, and I think that the Japanese worked from that model to attain PT15. Course, this is all IMHO, and since you didn't get answers before, this likely mis-informatin will probably stir up thousands! LOL Tim Brooks USNR-R, 1966 to 1995, victim of many unreps. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Starboard up and forward memories Great story Jim, When I got aboard the Shitty Kitty, all I heard about was the big fire that happened in 67 or 68. Took something like 36 hours to put it out and I believe it was a flare locker like one of the other carriers had. Nothing really that I can remember on the Hawk - we were a pretty squared away ship during our line duty on Yankee Station. Just the normal bilge fires and we had one jet that launched and her wing tank came off and fuel dropped into the hot cat and ignited. But by that time we had a big fire engine on the flight deck and it had it out in no time. A few close calls during UNREPS but all in all two good tours of duty in Vietnam. Mike Donegan Navydaze -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Peter Subject: Decals on Flat Surfaces In situations where I have not wanted to add another two layers of paint (i.e., a gloss coat, then decal, then flat overcoat) I have had some success using a very healthy amount of decal solvent (I have always used the Mr. Mark Softener brand, despite the stupid name). The silvering seems to be caused mainly by air trapped between the rough surface of the model and the decal. The solvent is designed to make the decals lay flat, i.e., snuggle right down over any raised areas, such as rivets on aircraft. I have had some success in using the solvent to have the decal "snuggle down" into the tiny raised/rough areas of flat paint. I put down a drop of solvent on the model. I then place the decal onto the drop, press down with a wet finger to squeeze out any air I can, then overcoat it again with solvent. After this first sandwich dries, I apply more solvent as needed. WARNING: the solvent makes the decal VERY fragile and you only have a few moments to move it around on the model without tearing. You also have to turn the surface such that the solvent does not run off. You should test the solvent on the type of paint you are using to make sure it does not mess up your paint job. One other tip: sometimes I use a straight pin to poke tiny holes through the decal film on larger images that let air escape when the decal is pressed down. You have to be gentle and careful to not wreck the decal with ugly holes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Doug Bauer" Subject: Thank you Thanks to all who helped me in my search for 1:96 scale ship's lifeboats. Doug Bauer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Allan and Crystal Plumb Subject: Re: Tamiya 1/72 PT-15 JMSDF boat >> So in conclusion, the ship either does not exist at all, or photographs of it are non existent. << Urrk? Certainly it did exist, used to be in Combat Fleets. The 2000 edition said PT-15 was decommissioned 14 Oct 1994. Pictures were black and white, and I gave my Combat Fleets from that era away. No pictures here. (I have the 1/48 PT-15 RC kit from Robbe; some day maybe I'll build it.) Allan Plumb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Doug Wilde" Subject: H-1 on Oahu The H-1 runs along the south side of Oahu, from out by Aina Haina to Waimanalo way (at least when I was there). I always thought it was a "trip" to jump on the INTERSTATE out in the middle of the Pacific. Doug Wilde -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: IAAFru2@aol.com Subject: Re: Dusting I've never heard of this technique could someone please explain it Please. Thanks George -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: IAAFru2@aol.com Subject: What color were they Hi SMMLies, I am just finishing up the Banner USS Arizona, and I am at a quandary, I need to know what color the planes were that she carried on 7DEC 41. I want them to be accurate so I really need to know. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: IAAFru2@aol.com Subject: Mast and radar USS NEW JERSEY I will soon be starting the USS New Jersey from the Tamiya Missouri Kit, late W.W.II (45). And I have been told that the rear mast and radar witch attached to the Aft stack, must be scratch built. I have no experience in scratch building. and I NEED SMMLies Help. I need someone who would be willing to build this mast for me (Yes I'll pay). I do not need to have it done right away so if you have some extra time and what to make some extra bucks e-mail me off line. Thanks George Frey Life member PHHA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: The HMT Rhona Disaster Public Television in Seattle (KCTS) just ran an excellent 45 minute preview special on the sinking of the British transport HMT Rhona in WWII. 1,015 American GIs being transported by the ship to Oran in North Africa were killed in the attack. On 26 November 1943, HMT Rhona was hit by a new secret German weapon; the Henschel HS-293 rocket propelled, radio controlled, air-to-surface missile launched by a Heinkel HE-111 variant. Because the weapon was classified and we didn't want the Germans to know its effectiveness, the secret of the Rhona's sinking was well kept for 57 years. Give a bureaucrat secret documents and he'll make sure it stays that way forever until an act of Congress rectifies it. Imagine applying for survivor's benefits and being told there's no record of you or your ship being sunk, then being called a liar by the government you went to war to support. If you get a chance later this year to see the History Channel production of "The Rohna Disaster, A WWII Secret Tragedy," definitely set your VCR or make a point to tune in. It's a very well done documentary. There was also a sneak preview of a new PBS 4-part prorgam in production showing the U.S. war effort in WWII Color. The footage looks pristine and was mostly gathered from people's attics and personal collections. This special is being put together by the same production company that made the award-winning documentary about Britain's WWII experience in color. Victor Baca Editor & Publisher MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: LCU 1600? Identification please: http://picpage7.tripod.com/lcu1600.html Please visit this page... Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/flagship.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Think Tank" Subject: Squadron putty and Schnellboot plans Been catching up on recent issues after a few days out of circulation. I use Squadron Green Putty extensively on resin and find it is excellent, particularly for pinholes and voids. I have also used the Squadron White Putty, which I find even better, although that me simply be a function of my tube of Green Putty being older. The great advantage over epoxy putty is that you can overapply and then carefully scrape the excess off when hard using a scalpel blade without damaging the surrounding surface if it is inaccessible to a file. Epoxy putty sets harder than the resin, which makes this more difficult. I also pack it into any pinholes which I can see are a surface manifestation of a large void below the surface, as it gives strength to the area below and prevents dinking it at a later stage of construction, when repair is more of a challenge. I endorse the comment about the toluene solvent in Squadron putty melting plastic if applied in large quantities but this is not an issue with resin as it does not react (at least in my experience). I do my best to acquire a resupply every time I visit the US, given that it seems to be difficult to obtain in the UK these days (I believe due to shipping restrictions due to the toluene again). I understand that David MacGregor plans of the S-100 class exist, looking very similar to the plans published in Foch's Fast Fighting Boats and Hummelchen's Schnellboot in the Profile series. I think White Ensign carries MacGregor plans. An electronic version of the original is on Dave Krakow's fine website: http://www.prinzeugen.com/SBOATIND.htm along with an enlarged separate plan of the bridge section. Robert Lockie Swindon UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Dirk Emmermacher" Subject: Re: US CVN's under construction Hello Rod. When I remember right, one these carriers name is "Ronald Reagan". The name of other one I can't remember, sorry Take care. Dirk Emmermacher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: US CVN's under construction >> Somebody recently posted that there are several US ships under construction, namely 2 CVN's. Have they been assigned names yet? << Rod, CVN-76 is still at Newport News and is, of course, USS Ronald Reagan. CVN77 has begun construction and is still unnamed at this time. I am rooting for a traditional carrier name like Lexington or something, but expect it to have a political name such as Geo. H. Bush, LBJ, or even Woodrow Wilson. If it is a president name, I'd vote for Thomas Jefferson. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: Re: Fehgrau Falk is right. "Fehgrau" is not "feldgrau". A "Feh" is also a Siberian squirrel or miniver. But who knows what a miniver looks like? See color chart at http://jpsmodell.de/dc/querral.htm They say "Fehgrau" is Humbrol 145 or Revell 57 Ulrich Rudofsky -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Color Cross-references >> I assume it means "Feldgrau (=field grey)", uniform color of WWII German infantry. << No. "Fehgrau" (RAL 7000) is "Squirrel Grey." >> Comparing FS 35237 to Dunkelgrau 51 (RAL 7000) on the Snyder and Short Enterprises' WWII Naval Colors Kriegsmarine Set #1, I would have to say that they are "close" but not exact. I've looked at these side by side under a couple of different light sources (incandescent & florescent) and can sometimes see a difference, other times they look alike. Guess it's in the "eye of the beholder"!! << Again, no, it's not in the eye of the beholder. What you are seeing and experiencing is the phenomenon of "metamerism", whereby colo[u]rs that appear the same under one light source appear different under another light source. When S&S develop paint chips, we work very carefully with the folks doing the paint mixes to ensure that our chips are free of metamerism with regard to the originals; they match the originals under daylight, fluorescent, and incandescent. This has occasionally driven our friends at the paint story a bit crazy as we check and re-check, and they've sometimes had to change pigment formulations to achieve the same colo[u]r and still be free of metamerism. Our paint chips match the original sources--be they Admiralty Colour Cards, actual paint samples, RAL color cards, or the 1929 Munsell Book of Color--and are free of metamerism in that regard. I suspect that there are going to be other color pairs between FS and RAL that will be metameric; they're two different color systems with two different bases. I wouldn't count on an accurate match. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models Snyder & Short http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Kits For Free Yup, that's right. Model Ship Journal is drawing a name each quarter (or names-depending on what goodies the mailman brings) from our subscriber's database. The lucky modeler will receive one of the kits, plans or books we've reviewed-free of charge. Nothing to enter, if you're a subscriber-you're eligible for the drawings. It's our way of saying "Thanks" and Cindy's way of making sure I keep my hobby storage space relatively clutter free. You can also thank the hobby shops and dealers/distributors who sell or send us review kits--they're a great bunch of people. We've already scrambled the names in the database and chosen three winners for Spring. Lucky guys...they have some neat stuff coming! Next quarter, we'll be giving away the Revell Flower Class HMCS Snowberry corvette kit in 1/72 scale. It's the same kit we reviewed in the Autumn 2001 issue. After that it'll be the Tamiya USS New Jersey (1/350 scale), then the Trumpter Sovremenny in 1/200th. If you want to be eligible for the drawing in the next issue, send in a subscription. Even if you don't win -- you'll have a darn good read. 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