Subject: SMML VOL 1560 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:15:48 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Wish List Add Ons 2: Back in time on a ship 3: Hypothetical/Time Travel 4: Re: Colour References 5: Re: Wish list 6: USN Slang 1941, Part S 7: Speculative encounter 8: Enjoying our hobby /Statements of Steve Richards and Chuck Messer 9: Re: Wooden Decks 10: Re: Hypothetical Time Travel 11: Re: Type 7U Destroyers 12: titanic ships wheel 13: Re: In search of... 14: Re: USN Slang 1941, P - R -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Warship Books new arrivals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Re: Wish List Add Ons Oops, as long as I'm wishing, forgot to wish for: Rawalpindi and Jervis Bay, maybe Penguin, Atlantis, and Kormoran (400/600 scale) Pre WW1 to WW2 Ocean Liners, Hospital Ships, and Transports (600 scale) USN CVLs and CVEs (400/600) Oh, thanks for belaying the Chinese/Trumpeter thread, mates. Gene Katz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Timothy Dike" Subject: Back in time on a ship Victor Baca wrote: >> I want to go back to polynesia in say, 1835. I'd be riding with the crew of a seagoing canoe, learning celestial navigation and the lore of "reading" the sea by her smell and the feel of the swells. We'd make landfall on some island where it's warm and sunny. Ahhh... << Someone has been reading way too many National Geographics! 1835, let see grass skirts, no tops, say no more. Me I'd have to go with the USS Helena through 1942, especially during the November 13th battle at Guadalcanal. Naturally I'd want to get off before Kula Gulf in 43. I read enough accounts of the battle to know that it was a traumatic event, and that in the darkness there probably wasn't much to see, but I've always been fascinated by that battle. Timothy Dike Webmaster and Editor ModelWarships.com http://www.modelwarships.com/index1.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Hypothetical/Time Travel My choice would be aboard the S.S. Waratah in July 1909 and discover where the ship actually sank. My second choice would be aboard the USS Connecticut on December 16. 1907 when the "Great White Fleet" left Hampton Roads. I would also like to see it as it arrived back on February 22, 1909. My third choice would be the USS Maine on February 15, 1898 Kevin W. Woodruff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Colour References >> I just received the publications Warship Pictorial # 15 and #16. The reference sources get better and better all the time. Just one request to the authors-publishers. If there are colour plates in a publication do include a page or at least a sidebar with the colour chips and their official descriptions. It will be so convenient to have the colour reference when using one's imagination to put colour to a written description, a B+W photo and for painting a model. I realise it may be hard to get an exact match when using process colour as in printing but a close match is good enough and for matching a bottle of paint to the colour chip. << Kelvin, Take a look at the bottom of page 33 in the WP #15 Schnellboote book. The is a row of color samples that relate to the S-boats with the German name and the English translation. I am able to get the colors to come very close to the paint chip color reference I use. That would be the Snyder & Short Kriegsmarine sets #1 and 2. Also, on page 72 of the same book, is the address info on Snyder & Short so you can order these paint sample sets. Thanks, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: Wish list My biggest wish is for more time to work on my models, so I can finish many and buy more. And a digital camera so I could share my work on the 'net. I would like to see an "upgrade set" for the Trumpeter Essex, to make a long-hull, and perhaps for the later versions, though I realize that would be harder since there were so many variations. One model I'm surprised isn't in plastic is the Brooklyn class CL. Not only did they serve admirably during WW2, several countries operated them for decades after, so there are plenty of ships to model over many years. I'm also surprised Airfix never made a Hermes or Invincible in 1/600 after the Falklands, and even more so that no one has come out with a Leander in 1/700, since they served in many navies around the world. The Airfix 1/600 needs much work just to make the model accurate, let alone portray any of the several variants. Joseph Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Snyder Subject: USN Slang 1941, Part S "let go a Salvo: tell somebody off." "Sand: takes the place of scouring powder." "Sand and canvas: to clean up." "Sandpaper the anchor: do unnecessary work." "Satchel: a gob with a wide mouth." "Scuttlebutt: drinking fountain." "Scuttlebutt rumor: anybody can start one but you wouldn't recognize it when it got back to you." "Sea dust: salt." "Sea gull: a flirtatious miss who follows the fleet up and down the coast from port to port. She is always hungry or needs new shoes." "Sea lawyer: always gives out advice about Navy regulations." "Sea pie: stew with a crust." "Sea sickness: nausea caused by the odor of frying pork chops while you are swinging in a hammock on a rolling ocean...." "Sea weed: spinach." "Shake a leg: speed up. Also known as wicky-wacky, chop chop, mooey pronto or simply Git the lead out of your leggins." "Shanghai: to get a man transferred to another ship against his inclination." "Sheep herder: any landsman who disagrees with you." "Shellback: anyone who has crossed the Equator on the ocean." "Shifting freckles: cooties." "Shin the chains: leave the ship without permission." "Shivering Liz: Jello. "In the snow" means with cream." "Skivvies: long woolen drawers." [In the 1960s Navy was simply any drawers.] "Sky juice: rain." "Skylarking: boondoggling." "Sleighride: recounting imaginary exploits." "Sliding clothes: worn out but saved for dirty jobs." "Slushy: the ship's cook." "Small beer: an insignificant fellow who acts important." "Smoke preventer: a very useful article aboard ship if you can just get a recruit to locate one. The trouble is that after they have gone around to a dozen or so officers, they get discouraged and start thinking it's a gag." "Snatch-holds: a public dance hall. Also called a jitney creep and a race track." "Sounding off: speaking well of yourself." "Spoon: a pal in need." "Squirrel's nest: a lad who is nuts." "Stamps: the mail orderly." "Step off the plank: to get married." "Straight as a deck seam: honest and trustworthy." "Submarine ears: slightly deaf." "Shall we submerge: board the subway." "Swabo: zero." a Swabbo: a blank." "Swacked: now look here, officer, he might have been a little illuminated or soused or lit or even crocked, binged, boiled, goofed up, mellow, bleary-eyed, stinko, rummed up, oiled, jagged, half-seas-over, inebriated, drenched, saturated or even intoxicated but he certainly wasn't drunk." "Swamp seed: rice." Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Phillip Lord" Subject: Speculative encounter I don't usually get too carried away with what-if scenarios--but this one has always intrigued me-- I'm on board the USS Monitor as she makes away from the USS Minnesota and heads into combat with CSS Virginia. When Captain Worden is disabled by the hit on the pilothouse, and Lt. Dana Greene assumes command, Greene aggressively resumes the fight, and then risks his ship and his career. He violates the 15 pound powder restriction, and orders his gunners to use full 30 pound charges in the 11-inch Dahlgren guns. As a result, CSS Virginia's armor is breached and she is forced to retreat with major damage and heavy casualties. Greene has effectively stopped the Confederate monster. How might this outcome have affected future Confederate naval strategy and ship construction--would there have been a terrifically accelerated move to obtain oceangoing armored ships from England? Or might there have been more focus on the development of "submarine" warfare? All perhaps because of an extra 30 pounds of gunpowder??? Phil Lord Who would love to see a "well-made movie" (21st century oxymoron?) about that first duel of ironclads--sans Leonardo DiCaprio at the wheel, or Hollywood fist pumping in the turret after a hit...! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Axel Wolters" Subject: Enjoying our hobby /Statements of Steve Richards and Chuck Messer Hi all, Steve Richards started a discussion about the quality of the Airfix 1:600 Bismarck kit and that he enjoyed building it even if the kits doesnt meet today standards anymore. I agree with him and Chuck Messer, who gave cheers to Steve. The main thing is, that FUN brought us into the modelling hobby. I had much fun glueing my first Airfix and Revell airplane kits in 1:72 scale together in the early 70s, without painting them and leaving some glue spots on the models. I was happy to have models which could be identified in several books or films. That was enough for me. Later I began painting them and reconstructing them, going deeper in the hobby. But still it should be fun, no pressure, to be better than other modellers or trying to beat them and getting frustrated if this didnt succeed. I build a model mainly for ME, it shall enlargen my collection. If I show it on a hobby show and people admire it, thats OK for me, but no MUST. Everybody has to decide how much time he spends in building a kit (building more perfect models needs more time) or how much money he wants to invest in photoetch parts and so on. Sure, these models are more perfect, but one has t ask himself, whether it is worth to get under pressure to build better and better models. That often makes you loosing fun. I dont have much time, so I cannot spend 100 hours on a small model. And I cannot invest in photoetch parts, whose price is 2 times higher as the model kit where they are needed for. But I want to enjoy building models. So I build my 1:700 waterline ships mostly out of the box, with only a few corrections where needed, adding the wiring to the masts, thats all. I am satisfied. The main thing for most of us modellers is having fun in building models, facing the challenge to build better models and improve the building techniques. So, we should not laugh about people who buy cheap kits, with less details and less quality. If they enjoy building them and they are satisfied with the results, let them be. They have reached their goal and shouldn t be discouraged by modellers talking bad about these models. And dont forget, for many of us is building a kit from our boyhood again from the 5th or 8th reissue a trip down memory lane. Maybe this starts an interesting discussion. Happy modelling! Axel Wolters Moenchengladbach Germany -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Wooden Decks Not sure if this has been posted but over on the Haze Gray and Underway web site they have a new series of photos of the USS NORTH CAROLINA - if you scroll down there is a close up of the wooden deck and you can click on and enlarge. Don't often get to see wooden decks in new condition as these have just been laid. Go to: http://www.hazegray.org/features/bb55/ Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Hypothetical Time Travel >> Bridge of SS Californian April 15, 1912 watching the Titanic's flares go up, and go and wake up the wireless man! << The poor old Californian and her master Captain Lord have become the arch villains in the Titanic disaster, probably only because we always have to blame somebody. It must be recalled that Californian closed down its wireless after warning Titanic of the presence of ice and then being told, before the Titanic struck, to "shut up! shut up!" by Titanic's wireless officer busy sending radiograms for passengers. Ironically even if she had responded to the rocket signals it is doubtful if there would have been much of a different result. The first distress rocket was fired 1½ hours before Titanic sank. Most accounts put Californian ten to fifteen miles from Titanic. She was stopped in an ice field and, being stopped, would hardly be maintaining full steam pressure. Under ideal conditions at her top speed of 13.5 knots she would have taken all of that time to reach the sinking ship. As it was she would not only have had to get her steam pressure up but also to navigate her way through ice. While Captain Lord has very properly been censured for failing to respond to the rocket signals the opinion of the Board of Inquiry that he might have saved many, if not all, the Titanic's passengers is tenuous in the extreme. By the time Californian could have reached the scene anyone in the water would have already succumbed to hypothermia and all she could have done is what Carpathia was to do later - take those in the lifeboats on board. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Type 7U Destroyers Hi SMML, Thanks very much to everyone who responded, on-list and off-list, to my inquiry about the Modelist Construktor on the Type 7U destroyers! Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: titanic ships wheel I thought this was proved cuz of everyone seeing the movie (I have not seen it yet , have I taped off TV ) thought it was a goof up that sometimes slips into movies .. Ben Hur romans wearing wrist watches, a 707 flying though in the back ground of some movie set in ancient times etc) that the if you wanted to go right you had to stear left cuz of the rope/pully system -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Dimi Apostolopoulos Subject: Re: In search of... >> Seeking the following for future projects: (1) WW2 Royal Navy aircraft in 1/1200 scale << Mike, C.A.P. Aero makes a great line of aircraft in 1:1200 including most of the Royal Navy types. I purchased a number of sets from Regal Minatures http://www.regalminiatures.com/Figurehead/cap-aero.htm There must be more places to buy them from but Regaql's service was excellent. Dimi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: USN Slang 1941, P - R >> John you left out a very important slang that only the prevlidge few have heard and the word is "pinging". Pinging is to make fun of another crew member or being sarcasticly funny about another crewmam - however the word is only used in the submarine force. << Ummm, no, it was used in the surface Navy in the mid-1960s, so it's not just a sub word. As for it being left out of the list--remember, this is transcribed from a 1941 book, and "pinging" just wasn't part of the USN vocabulary then. Cheers, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Warship Books new arrivals Hi all, Now in stock Warship Pictorial #15 Schnellboote Warship Pictorial #16 USS New Jersey Happy modeling Keith Butterley warshipbooks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume