Subject: SMML VOL 1563 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 00:25:55 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Pinging 2: Re: Trumpeter Arizona 3: Re: Woodworking accuracy 4: Re: time machine 5: Re: Wish list 6: Woodworking accuracy 7: Re: USN Slang 1941, Last Installment 8: Re: Banner/Trumpeter 9: Re: No USS Arizona from Trumpeter 10: Battle cruisers or not??? 11: Signals 12: wooden decks 13: Graf Spee (recovered gun) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Pinging Gene, I only heard about Pinging when I went up on a Submarine Forum (Submarine.com - I think). Said something stupid and got pinged - and really good too! To be honest though I had never heard of Pinging in the surface Navy but did hear Ping Jockey though as you said. Mike NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Trumpeter Arizona From: "john fiebke" >> If I recall correctly, mine says Trumpeter on the side. I remember looking at the two boxes side by side in the hobby-shop. My 1/700 Arizona is a mini-hobby kit. << I saw a few Trumpeter boxings of the Banner kit on Ebay shortly after the Banner kit came out. If I recall correctly, there was some issue early on as to whether the kit would remain under the Banner label after the first shipment or would convert to the Trumpeter label. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Woodworking accuracy >> I'm a little curious what kind of woodworking you are talking about. Do you mean "carpentry" and not "woodworking" which I think connotes "cabinetmaking" I'm a hobby woodworker, and accuracy is crucial in edge joining, dovetailing, mortise and tenon joinery. Ever try to cut an accurate 45 degree miter? A hundredth of an inch error in either plane multiplied by 4 results in a pretty shoddy looking picture frame. I just wanted to defend the woodworking trade and hobby a bit. Forgive my rant :-) << Absolutely, the alternative to accuracy in woodworking is buckets of wood filler!!! :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Re: time machine find your glaases yet Bob..thought the question about time machines was in regads to ships..but oh well did you check your head? or they sitting on the fridge or next to a cabinet full of ships?? well anyhow, hope you find em -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Wish list First I'd really like to have a 1/350 scale 50's or 60's Oriskany. Then give me an Alaska Then to top off this science fiction list, throw in some 1/350 Pearl Harbor Japanese carriers. I don't care which ones. Now let's start the photo etch request list. Let's see, PE for all of the above. Rusty White 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Robert Leonti Subject: Woodworking accuracy Mike, Sorry, you are absolutely right, but I did mean to write thousandts of an inch. I am an amateur wood worker (cabinet maker) woodturner and carver specializing in Raptors. I think readers got the point about Chinese machinery. I use American and European ( German and Italian ) woodworking machinery and tools exclusively. Capt. Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: USN Slang 1941, Last Installment John, I didn't see TINS in this last installment. Maybe that was from "our" navy... :-) Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: IAAFru2@aol.com Subject: Re: Banner/Trumpeter >> And by the time you figure in your time required to "fix" many styrene companies' errors -- may be more economical. Often they include the brass as part of the kit -- and save you the cost of purchasing these details separately. I strongly urge you to go and look at some of the Iron Shipwright offerings << Yes, Iron Shipwright dose have some great ships, However I noticed that when I look up my favorites "Pearl Harbor" Battleships most if not all have been relegated to the back burner as it says by release date the words WHENEVER. I am sorry but I have a lot of trouble justifying to my Wife and Kids why we cant have steak for dinner, or why we cant go on that Vacation, because daddy was selfish, and wanted a cool resin model to build and put on his shelf where no one other then Daddy, and maybe an occasional buddy will ever see the thing. I praise any body who can afford the 100-250 price tag I've seen for most of these 350 scale models, and still make end's meet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: IAAFru2@aol.com Subject: Re: No USS Arizona from Trumpeter >> The 1/350 Arizona kit has -never- appeared in a Trumpeter box << Sorry, but I saw several on e-Bay when they first came out. PS: e-Bay is currently running item # 1709494779 USS Arizona from Trumpeter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Battle cruisers or not??? Allan Plumb writes: >> -- Courageous/Glorious (but Furious is ugly) (And don't tell me they weren't battlecruisers. I've heard it all before, I don't agree, and neither does John Roberts, so there. :-) ) << Apparently John Roberts stick rigidly to the definition that every warship which sacrifies armour protection for speed and armament is a battlecruiser. Of course this also places in this cathegory almost all of the light cruisers (with the exception of AA cruisers) and even some large destroyers. If you start applying this logic once you can't than stop all of the sudden ;-). Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Michael London" Subject: Signals Encouraged by John Snyder's USN slang contribution, and as a change from discussing the merits of Chinese kit manufacturers, SMML readers might enjoy the following from Jack Broome's "Make Another Signal". All genuine signals actually sent. "When the Germans produced the magnetic mine in WW 2 the answer was to de-magnetise ships hulls by a process known as degaussing or, more commonly, wiping. A warship at sea received the following signal from Commander-in-Chief, Nore. PROCEED TO CHATHAM FORTHWITH TO HAVE YOUR BOTTOM WIPED" "An aircraft was towing a drogue target down a line of cruisers who were firing at the target with AA armament. Suddenly a shell burst in front of the aircraft. The pilot immediately broadcast by radio telephone: I AM PULLING THIS BLOODY THING, NOT PUSHING IT" "In Britain in 1940, when Wrens were buying up all available serge to make trousers, a Commander-in-Chief made the following signal: WRENS CLOTHING IS TO BE HELD UP UNTIL THE NEEDS OF SEAGOING PERSONNEL HAVE BEEN SATISFIED" Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Jansen, Matthijs" Subject: wooden decks I just want to thank mike donegan for giving me information about where to find pictures about wooden decks. I visited the link he send and I am especially happy with the picture that shows the old and the new deck together. Greetings matthijs from the netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "sell4853" Subject: Graf Spee (recovered gun) SMMlers Photo in the following site shows the gun that was recovered from the Graf Spee http://www.grafspee.com/images/gunfromgrafspee.jpg Norman (UK) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume