Subject: SMML VOL 1565 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 00:08:23 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Military Museums In Seattle 2: Re: deck decals 3: Re: Pinging 4: South Dakota Class BB 5: Re: Reasons to subscribe to SMML 6: Re: Soviet Carrier Varyag arrives in China 7: Re: Pinging 8: Ok some more battlecruisers than 9: Re: Model Flex paints 10: Re: Trumpeter Arizona, et al!! 11: Re: Wood Decks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Military Museums In Seattle >> The museum also sells ship's plans (at very reasonable prices), many showing naval units that were manned by the USCG in WWII. You'll find the curator to be very knowledgable on naval history because he lived a big chunk of it and the entire staff is a great bunch of retired Coasties << Victor, For us on the other side of the country, do they have a web site?? Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: deck decals >> losing the engraved detail. At the very least, if the black calking lines were reproduced on decal sheets, you could blend the deck sections together, paint the deck your choice of color, then apply the calking decal for a super deck. << I have been experimenting with making deck decals, Have produced several different kinds. I was planing to use one of the Arizona if and when I find the time. Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Bruce Ross" Subject: Re: Pinging >> Whereas--at least in the 1960s Navy--Sonarmen and Radarmen in the surface fleet were collectively lumped together as "Scope Dopes." << Hey John, I resemble that remark! :^)) Bruce Ross RD/OSC USN(Ret) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Shipguy59@aol.com Subject: South Dakota Class BB Hi all, I'd like to build a 1/700 model of the USS Massachusetts. There are two plastic kits of South Dakota class Battleships available - the South Dakota and the Alabama. Does anyone know which kit is the closest to the Massachusetts and what changes I'd have to make to convert either of these kits? Thanks Mark Shipguy59 (as in BB59) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Steven P. Allen" Subject: Re: Reasons to subscribe to SMML >> I assume you do to some extent or why would you subscribe to this list? ;^) << Actually, there are numerous other reasons to subscribe, from new product info to simple socialization with people of similar interests. Naturally, these are not mutually exclusive reasons . . . . Steve Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Sanders, Talmadge FC1" Subject: Re: Soviet Carrier Varyag arrives in China Sounds like a Dale Brown book to me, I believe it was "STEEL SHADOWS?" Wherethe Chinese bought it then leased it to IRAN, who refurbished it..... VR FC1 (sw) T.E. "Sandy" Sanders COMBAT SYSTEMS DEPT LPO USS PRINCETON CG-59 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: WVeigele@aol.com Subject: Re: Pinging John Snyder, Sonarmen were not on boats. They were on ships. They served on cruisers, destroyers, destroyer escorts, frigates, PCs, SCs, and various other patrol and subchaser ships. Bill Veigele -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Ok some more battlecruisers than Allan Plumb writes: >> Strawman argument detected. The above has never been a definition of "battlecruiser", so it's easy to bash. Try adding "battleship" as an adjective in front of armament, and we'll be closer. I think most would agree that 15"/42 guns is battleship armament, and 6" is not. << Ok Allan, fine, in this case I have whole ship load of newly discovered battlecruisers for you: Italia and Lepanto (Italy 1885), Re Umberto and her sisters (Italy 1893), supposedly Peresviet class (Russia 1901) althrou it didn't quite worked out, Russel and her sisters (UK 1903), Regina Margherita and Benedetto Brin (Italy 1904) and finaly Regina Elena class (Italy 1907). Seems like battlecruiser was quite a hit with Italians and for quite some time too ;-). Best wishes D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: DILIANE@aol.com Subject: Re: Model Flex paints In regards to the question about Model flex paints. I am not real sure if I did something wrong. I tried it on a couple resin kits. They are glossy, and did not seem to want to cure. I have not tried them on a plastic kit as of this time, so am not sure if they would work any better. They worked all right in the sprayer, and seem to be a good paint otherwise. Jim Campbell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Henry Blecha Subject: Re: Trumpeter Arizona, et al!! From: "john fiebke" >> If I recall correctly, mine says Trumpeter on the side. I remember looking at the two boxes side by side in the hobby-shop. My 1/700 Arizona is a mini-hobby kit. << I have the MiniHobbyModel 1/700 version of the Arizona and no where on the box or the instructions can I find the Trumpeter name called out. I suppose you have a unique box, John!! The company logo for MiniHobbyModel does appear to look similar to the Trumpeter logo, but again no Trumpeter name on it!! Regarding the bridge that connects the area near the Arizona Memorial with Ford Island. It is an easy way to journey over to visit the USS Missouri and the USS Utah remains. That is as long as one has a military ID card and a military car pass. Since 911 that probably also says that the passengers may also require a pass or ID. The rules of engagement to access a military installation vary from facility to facility. As far as getting over to the Missouri I understand that there is a tram the runs over to the ship for the visitors. Not sure how that works post-911. >> I just got another issue of the IPMS/USA Journal, and once again it doesn't have the old "Ships 'n Tips" column. Is the column officially dead or what? I know Rusty doesn't do it any more. << Art I don't recall if this was answered, but the fellow you are referring to that took over the column from Rusty was Ned Barnett. Ned was also a lively contributor here on SMML at one time. I haven't seen anything from him on SMML for some time, maybe as long as we haven't seen the Ship 'n Tips column in the IPMS\/USA Journal. Regarding ship related activities planned for the 2002 IPMS/USA National Convention in Virginia Beach, VA, I see from the recent Journal that there are a number of ship related tours planned. Should make for some interesting sightseeing for those SMMLies that make it to this years National's. Making the tours could cut into the cash flow situation when one also tries to stock up in the vendor room!! Just a few comments regarding some past issues. Henry Blecha -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Wood Decks Hi Jim, First, I agree with you: painting wood decks can be a pain. That said, however.... >> Wouldn't it be nice to have a decal sheet to put over the planked sections of the deck? You could blend the sections of the deck together without worrying about losing the engraved detail. At the very least, if the black calking lines were reproduced on decal sheets, you could blend the deck sections together, paint the deck your choice of color, then apply the calking decal for a super deck. << First, let's go back to the Arizona kit you mentioned, the one with the raised lines between the planks. Unless your decal sheet matches the plank width on the kit, then you run the risk of having those raised lines in the middle of your decal "planks"--unless of course you take the time to sand or shave them off first, a fun game with molded-on deck details. Even with those kits that have scribed lines on the decks, it's likely that when the decal snuggles down you'll find lines in the middle of your planks, where you don't want them. There is also the matter of those molded-on details: you don't want your decal over the top of those, so you're looking at a LOT of cutting and trimming, even around the superstructure. >> Sheets could be made for a generic deck, matching the length and width of the standard planking that could be cut to size for any given ship. << Second, there is no such thing as "standard planking." It varied from Navy to Navy, from ship type to ship type even within the same navy (wood planking in the Royal Navy, for instance, varied from 4" to 10"), and certainly varied between navies and merchant marine. Third, what type wood would you have the decal represent? Teak, probably? What about those ships that used pine, or Douglas fir, or Hinoki cypress? Teak colour wouldn't be right for them. With all due respect, I don't think wood deck decals are the way to go (you decal manufacturers feel free to chime in here and correct me if I'm wrong). As for those black lines of caulking, try a sharp pencil or a thin grey wash. Best regards, John Snyder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume