Subject: SMML VOL 1572 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:19:45 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: 26' navy motor life boats 1/48 scale 2: masking 3: Re: 26' navy motor life boats 1/48 scale 4: Rollin', rollin', rollin' on the rivah 5: Re: Rich Boy's Toys 6: Re: Russian destroyer decks? 7: 'Dutchman' origins 8: "Dutchman" 9: Re: Badger Marine Paints 10: Re: Chinese Open-Ocean Voyages of Exploration 11: Raise the ALABAMA on history channel 12: Modelflex Paints 13: USS San Francisco kits 14: Re: Ark Royal III Conversion 15: Re: japanese destroyers & the letters on the hull 16: steamboat roof color 17: Aurora USS Hartford 18: jap subs 19: indian ships 20: Ark Royal 21: Re: WSW 700-19; Potemkin, Russian battleship, 1905 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Announcement from Nautical Research Guild -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Paints -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: 26' navy motor life boats 1/48 scale >> Does anyone know where I can get two 26' navy motor life boats in 1/4 (1/48) scale? << Two sources: Bob Thomas (The Quartermaster - whose address I don't have at hand but whom I think is a SMMLie) makes some wonderfully-cast and detailed resin examples and Karl Kalb (www.microglass.net) who makes the hulls in fiberglass. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Jansen, Matthijs" Subject: masking Last episode of smml I read something about ordinary masking tape being to adhesive. I have used this ordinary tape for years and it never pulled the paint of my models. When the paint comes of your model, it might be possible that the plastic wasn't cleaned enough before painting. When you use an airbrush it is possible that little 'lumps' of paint come out of the gun when the airbrush is not properly cleaned and the tip gets filled up with paint. These lumps come off when you remove your tape from the hull which leaves little unpainted spots on your model. What some people don't know is that ordinary masking tape loses it's adhesiveness (does this word exist? I mean less sticky) after one day, it is even written in the product info that you get with the tape. By the way, for my 1/350 model of the prince of wales (tamiya) I used at least 10 metres of tape. A roll of ordinary tape (30 metres) only costs at about 2 euro (that is about 2 US dollar) while special masking tape is very expensive and I have no money left after buying a tamiya model and 20 clours of paint. (I want to order the Enterprise, that means I will be broke for the rest of the year). Greetings from the Netherlands matthijs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: 26' navy motor life boats 1/48 scale Capt. Bob Leonti writes: >> Does anyone know where I can get two 26' navy motor life boats in 1/4 (1/48) scale? << Yes, Quartermaster makes beautiful 26' boats in cast resin. I haven't seen a web page for them, but I know that Franciscan Hobbies in San Francisco stocks their products. Give Bob Evans an Email: bob0159@pacbell.net And he can fix you up with some. You will like these products a lot, they are very nicely done. Cordially, Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography www.warshipphotos.com Order via our online catalog...now taking credit cards via Paypal Warship Models Underway www.warshipmodelsunderway.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "David & Mary Jean" Subject: Rollin', rollin', rollin' on the rivah This takes a while to load (about ten pictures) but it's worth the wait. http://koti.mbnet.fi/~soldier/towboat.htm David Hackley Sharpsburg, MD USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Darren Subject: Re: Rich Boy's Toys >> For those who enjoy their hobbies in 1:1 scale, here is a story of an Internet pioneer who bought a surplus 120-foot British patrol boat for his daughter's amusement. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32880-2002Mar3.html << Interesting story, I think this is the ship, if you want to see photos. Looks like a Bird class patrol craft, although the photo I have doesn't have the upper covered bridge. http://www.tanstaafl.com/badtzu/ Darren -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: BECJPARKER@aol.com Subject: Re: Russian destroyer decks? Well now that the folks that are interested in Russian ship seem to be reading the post let me ask my question again and see if any of the experts have an answer. How were the decks on the project type 7 destroyers finished? Raw wood, painted or stained wood, metal. or some sort of covering like linoleum? If someone has the book on this class could you please look this up and let me know? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Mark Shannon" Subject: 'Dutchman' origins The term comes from the stereotype pejorative that the Dutch were cheap and willing to go a long way to fix anything back to useable condition that might have been thrown away by others. So repairing a surface flaw or knothole in a board by chiseling out the bad section in the wood, cutting a plug to exactly fit and 'match' grain, and bunging it back in was the sort of thing a 'Dutchman' would do. These are now viewed as a mark of certain folk antique wood furniture and such to the extent that reproductions require some faked in Dutchmen for atmosphere. Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: "Dutchman" Having seen two recent references to the use of a "Dutchman" ( one was a query as to the definition in shipmodeling context ). I dug out my wartime copy of "Fore River Shipbuilder's Dictionary" compiled by Bethlehem Steel Company's shipbuuilding division, Fore River Yard, Quincy, Massachusetts, U.S.A. They define "Dutchman" as "A piece of wood or steel fitted into an opening to cover up poor joints or crevices." Hoo-Boy, it looks like I will have to back and re-flag all of my models to be of Dutch registration!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Mike Dassele" Subject: Re: Badger Marine Paints To Kurt Van Dahm, Let me say thanks for what you did with Badger to develop these paints. I just finished a USS Aylwin 1942 (converted from an ISW USS Hull 1944), and used these paints for this resin kit. They are wonderful to spray, and the colors are excellent. I'll echo Devin's mix of 3:2 with a drop or 2 of retarder. It works wonderfully. Mike Dassele -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Hank Lapa" Subject: Re: Chinese Open-Ocean Voyages of Exploration This info builds upon previously published work which documented Chinese trade with the NE horn of Africa. Apparently, some of today's supermodels (there - modeling content) trace their ancestry to the intermingling of genes that happened back then, sailors being sailors and all. Hank -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "RAY MEHLBERGER" Subject: Raise the ALABAMA on history channel Anybody else catch this show last night? Very interesting. They only managed to get a cannon up out of the English channel near Cherbourg and some crockery from the ALABAMA's kitchen. Guess they're going back next spring to bring up more relics. What they brought up is now being restored at the same facility that is working on the Hunley. This sail and steam ship had a very interesting carrier, until it was sunk. Ray Mehlberger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "john fiebke" Subject: Modelflex Paints >> What kind of masking tape did you use in this case? Common hardware store masking tape has way too an adhesive to use on any model paints regardless of the cure time. If common masking tape must be used it should have some tack taken out by putting it down on glass or other smooth clean surface to remove a bit of adhesive. Also, any masking tape should be removed within a very short time. Leave any masking tape on a surface for several days and most paints will lift. << In regards to my experience with model flex paints, I again stress that it lifting off when I masked was do to my impatience. I used 3m painter's masking tape, but did not prepare the surface which is probably where the problem lies. After realizing that the Arizona's waterline break was not where it was in the kit, I spent several hours handling the model as I filled and sanded this seam. This handling probably left oil on the model, causing the paint to lift. I would actually highly recommend the model flex paint, as it left a beautiful surface and sprayed perfectly even without thinning. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "john fiebke" Subject: USS San Francisco kits What would be my best bet in 1/700 for a USS San Francisco in 1942? I've noticed that several manufacturers sell resin kits of this ship. If there is a kit of the Astoria or Quincy that is better, that is ok, too. I guess building the Tamiya Indianapolis put the hook in me for treaty cruisers. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, john.fiebke -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Christopher Burton" Subject: Re: Ark Royal III Conversion >> Is a conversion of Ark Royal to an Illustrous Class Carrier possible. Background is that I found another Revell kit and basically bought it for the Zulu escort. << Werner, Interesting idea, though I suspect it would be quite a challenge. As you will know, Illustrious herself had much lower freeboard than Ark Royal,having one less hangar deck, and there are also kits in a similar scale already available. It might be easier but also more original to try for Indomitable or Implacable/Indefatigable - they all had the extra hangar deck and I am not aware of any kits of them in a similar scale. Having said this, the basic hull form of the Illustriouses would be stubbier than Ark Royal - they were all somewhat shorter but (I think) just as broad, or broader. And many of the apertures in the hull would be in different places. It depends how much accuracy you would want in such a project. Another interesting possibility would be HMS Unicorn, as the ship had similar freeboard to Ark Royal and there are certainly no kits of her in 1/700 or 1/720 scale! She was a much shorter ship though so there would have to be much judicious shortening and shaping of the hull. Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: japanese destroyers & the letters on the hull >> Did Japanese destroyers keep that kanji written on the side of their destroyers after Pearl harbour & in combat.. I seem to recall a painting or a picture of a destroyer sunk at Guadancannal (I said seem) that it had the writing still on the side whe it was sunk.. << Hi Andy, So far as I know, the kanji were painted out by the time of Pearl Harbor and the attacks south. I suspect the painting you're remembering is the one on the cover of the paperback edition of "Japanese Destroyer Captain." Take it as artistic license.... Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "James M. Pasquill, II" Subject: steamboat roof color >> If by "passenger steamer" you mean a personal craft, such as a steam launch, then any color you wish would be appropriate. If you mean a commercial vessel, the ship would be painted in the livery of the line. In the latter case, there may be contemporary literature (e.g., posters) that would point you in the correct direction. << Thanks to you and the others who have responded. What I'm working on is an 80 foot commercial passenger steam that might have worked the inner harbors of Maine. BW photos show a light covered roof that looks like canvas. Perhaps it is the cloth over felt type roof that another mentioned. From the responses I received on and off list it seems that the most likely color was light grey or tan. Before I paint it I will try to get info on the Sabino at Mystic, CT and Ticonderoga at Shelburne, VT, Anyone know of other existing steamers in the Northeast, U.S.? Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: GHDRAKE@aol.com Subject: Aurora USS Hartford Hi, I saw online that you are looking for a Hartford. I'm mainly into slotcars, but had someone offer me an Aurora USS Hartford today. I had no idea what to offer him for it, so tell me what price range would make it worthwhile to you, and I'll find out if it makes it worthwhile to me to get it for you. Fair enough? LMK Geoff Drake Conyers, GA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: jap subs I have a book at home that says jap subs were dark grey with black decks (I think ) & then later in the war they were overall dark grey/black will double check the book,as it does the FS reference -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: indian ships here's a link that you could try http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Link7.html http://warships1.com/Indian_frigates.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "graham and melanie" Subject: Ark Royal no plans here just memory but you may get HMS Unicorn heavy repair ship (sometimes aircraft carrier) in dire need. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Re: WSW 700-19; Potemkin, Russian battleship, 1905 Ed thanks for the help and advice re Potempkin Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: David and Paula Blanchard Subject: Announcement from Nautical Research Guild Ladies and Gentlemen: I am the editor of the Nautical Research Journal, the 50+ year-old non-profit scholarly quarterly that publishes information about historic vessels. 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He did state that they should be allowed to cure completely before applying any heavy second coat or wash, since this self-etching formulation will cause the second coat or wash to try to seek its way through the first coat to the underlying plastic or resin. This could cause blistering. Of course, this really applies to brushing rather than airbrushing, unless you shoot REALLY wet coats. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume