Subject: SMML VOL 1578 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 11:09:05 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Ship Crests 2: New CSS Alabama Book 3: SUBMARINES AND HOCKEY STICKS 4: Re: USS OREGON 5: Off-scale Things 6: Wear A Locator 7: Ships Crests 8: Jolly hockey sticks and missing divers 9: Re: Canada's subs leak 10: Ships badges 11: Re: Canada's Subs Leak 12: Kriegsmarine Z- class destroyers names??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: drwells@hogpb.att.com (David R Wells) Subject: Re: Ship Crests In some cases, an individual ship might have more than one crest. For example, the USS New Jersey had four, a different one for each period of service. David R. Wells Co-Webmaster, Battleship New Jersey Historical Museum Society P.S. My E-mail will be changing soon. "There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Labs, Middletown, NJ Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | http://home.att.net/~WellsBrothers/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Steve Sobieralski Subject: New CSS Alabama Book Directly on the heels of the History Channel show on the Alabama came the latest US naval Institute Press catalog with a new book on the ship-"CSS Alabama, Anatomy of a Confederate Raider"-due out in June. Appears to be an AOTS type book which distills all known facts about the ship, including the archaeological research shown in the TV show. Also due in June are Chris Langtree's "The Kellys", "Trincomalee, Nelson's Last Frigate" and the intriguingly titled "The World's Worst Warships". Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Dean, Tom" Subject: SUBMARINES AND HOCKEY STICKS Hi Gang: As far as the problems with the Victoria Class Subs, I can't really comment. Canadians have learnt to take anything reported by the CBC (national tv network) with a grain of salt, as they are notorious for finding fault with anything military. I doubt if the problems were as spectacular as reported. As to hockey sticks on submarines, you would have to be a Canuck to understand. Young Canadian males do not go anywhere without hockey equipment. Car trunks always contain a large duffel bag full of equipment and clothing that will not be washed until spring!(bad luck to do so). You never know when a game might crop up. We play street hockey, pick-up hockey, industrial league (company) hockey, old timers hockey, summer league hockey etc. This really is a cover-up for us to drink large amounts of beer afterwards. Most of our front teeth are not our own and knees are a mess by age 30. Canadian ships all have a hockey team, with full uniforms and equipment. No matter where they go they will try to arrange a game either with other Canadian ships in the same port, or with sailors of the host port. So a hockey stick on a submarine comes as no surprise to us. If you will bear with me this reminds me of a wonderful video from a few years back. Many of you will know that the Stanley Cup is the trophy for the National Hockey League championship. Every spring the playoffs start and Canadian become "couch potatoes" for a month or so. I have to explain that our kids play "street hockey" on side streets, complete with inline skates, tennis balls, and portable nets. When a car comes, one or more of the kids will yell "car" "car", the games pauses and the nets are moved, and resumed when the car passes. Drivers know this and tolerate it because they did the same when young. Anyway the playoffs were underway, and the Toronto Maple Leafs were still in it. The Canadian Air Force was involved in bombing operations in Kosavo at the time. The video appeared between periods of one of the playoff games. It showed Canadian airmen playing ball hockey on the runway. All of a sudden, they all started yelling "Hornet" "Hornet", the nets were moved just in time for a fully armed CF18 Hornet to scream by on the runway. The tail fin of the Hornet had been painted with "Go Leafs Go" Like I say, you have to be Canadian eh! Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada (too old to play now) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: USS OREGON I sent in a "box review" of the YS Masterpieces 1/350 USS OREGON a few months ago. I was finally able to get some of the contract work out of the way and actually started on the kit. I would guess I'm about a third of the way through it. I have a few problems with the color schemes shown and I have changed some minor items but I have to say I am astounded by the detail and accuracy of this kit. It is without reservation the best kit of a ship of this period that I have ever seen. FANTASTIC !! If you like late 1800's battleships you cannot go wrong with this one. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Off-scale Things >> ...then I noted they were 1/350 - got as frustrated as the night of my wedding. << 1/350!? Many a wedding nite has been thwarted by an off-scale thing or two. Victor Baca "1:1 makes for scale fun" --Moses T. Lake In the "Shipbuilder's Compendium" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Wear A Locator >> Just a thought. Skiers wear a locator (don't know the technical details) so that should they be buried by an avalanche searchers with the proper equipment can find them under the snow. << They're called EPIRBS in the maritime world. Radio locators that send a signal for triangulation or GPS location. Only problem is they're almost never worn except when you know you're going over the side. In any event cruisers aren't sailors and aren't likely to be wearing anything more than casual clothing. The effects of hypothermia are your worst enemy in the water, even tropical seas. Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Ships Crests Duane For RN ships, the best book is 'Admiralty Ships Badges - Original Patterns 1919-1994' (2 volumes) by T P Stopford, published by Stone Frigate, Rochester, Kent. Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: Jolly hockey sticks and missing divers I thought the hockey stick on a submarine was pretty bizarre when I heard about it on the radio this morning, but perhaps they played deck hockey? Then again, I recall seeing a drama about Shackleton recently, in which one of the things they took with them (to the Antarctic ice pack) was a bicycle. Don't know if that was artistic licence, but I bet they would have taken bodge tape if it had been available though. Regarding the two people missing on the Barrier Reef (if you will forgive the drift off topic), I have just been reading Bill Brysons book "Down Under" (excellent, like all his works) and he refers to this incident. Interestingly, the couple were experienced divers and there was a two-storey dive pontoon only about 3nm from where they had been. The sea was calm, water temperature 29C and they were wearing wetsuits. There was also a reef with exposed outcrops 1.2nm away. The suspicion was that since both refuges (which they could presumably have reached) were separated from where the couple was diving by open water known to be inhabited by sharks, they had been attacked on the way. However, their lifejackets (I imagine of the adjustable buoyancy type, as they were diving) were washed up, undamaged, on the mainland a few days later, which tended to cause the shark theory to be questioned (and why would anyone stranded in the sea removed their flotation devices?). The plot thickened when their belongings were examined at their hotel and the woman's diary recorded that her husband had been depressed and "wanted to end it all on a scuba diving trip". I don't know what the official inquest found but suicide looks to be a distinct possibility on this evidence. Robert Lockie Swindon UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: dlfowler@apple.com Subject: Re: Canada's subs leak >> They carry hockey sticks on submarines???? << Mark, It's Canada, eh! The pucks are good for plugging leaks too. Regards, Duane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Subject: Ships badges Duane and other interested parties. Around May last year I obtained info that there were two home produced publications covering ALL RN ship badges. I purchased the two home produced bound volumes and they provide a pictorial index of RN ship's badges 1918 to 1995 including F A A squadron crests. All in black and white, 15 designs per page. The result of many years detailed research. There are 1800 confirmed designs all from official sources. I was able to redraw the Ships Badge to all my recent J, K and N class destroyer drawings. I spoke to Mr Derek Taylor of 16 Francis Way, Colchester Essex CO4 3DZ England. (Tel 01206 860694) this afternoon and he confirmed that he still has a few copies available. He is not on the internet. He also has printed colour prints of individual designs 4" x 6" at £1.00 each. There are 1800 confirmed designs. Part two indicates colourings, derivations and the ship mottoes for the illustrations contained in part 1. I found them most interesting and informative. The cost was around £20, plus postage. Yours "Aye" John Lambert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Canada's Subs Leak >> I am sorry but that is too funny, the fact that they had a hockey stick on board. Is that standard equipment allowance? << Ok you guys are in real trouble now over a violation of the official secrets act. Please turn your selves in to the nearest member of the RCMP. The hockey stick is part of a new top secret close in anti ship and personnel weapon carried on all Canadian Subs. Did I forget to mention the 0.5 Kiloton hockey pucks??? :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Filipe C. Ramires" Subject: Kriegsmarine Z- class destroyers names??? Hello list I've been working in a diorama of a Norwegian fjord with a Z-class destroyer anchored near by. It looks lovely but I've a little doubt about the ship that I am building. I've converted the Tamiya model (1/700) of the Z-37 (Project 1936A MOD) to the early version of Project 1936A. The thing is that the ships that I have choosen to be represented are the Z-26 or the Z-30, however, in the book of "Warships of the World - Narvik class" they give me the following names for the destroyers: Z-36 = Anton Scmitt and Z-30 = Wolfgang Zenker. The text, unfortunately to me, is in polish and I can't understand if these names are the names of the ships or anything else. Can anyone give a light on this??? Thanks in advance. Happy modelling. Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume