Subject: SMML VOL 1590 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:32:05 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Torpedoed merchant ship 2: Re: Book idea for Classic Warships 3: zepplin drawings 4: Re: Minas Geraes class 5: Re: New book from Classic Warship 6: Re: Painting Question 7: Re: New Models (Almost) 8: Classic Warship Book Ideas 9: New painting 10: US 110 SC 1944 11: HMS Jamaica Dec 43 12: HMS Newfoundland 13: Tamiya Prinz Eugen 14: 1/400th Karel Doorman 15: painting Question 16: Re: Seehund 17: Re: german translation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Larry Evans" Subject: Re: Torpedoed merchant ship Rod, That was an addition to the Hasegawa U-boat kit. If you want one, I think I have on around here someplace. Contact me off site and its yours for the shipping, If I can find it. :-) Larry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Steven Bryson" Subject: Re: Book idea for Classic Warships I know this is probably a pipe dream, but does anyone out there think therre would be enough interest in the USN gunboats that patrolled the Yangtze River (i.e. USS Panay, etc.)? Steve Bryson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: zepplin drawings I remember something some time ago, about a place for the most detailed drawings, is the zepplin museum in germany,, yes you are probably not in Germany, but I think they have a web site, might have some good books available..i remember whating a show on how the the Hiddenburg actually blew up... they made the fuel out of a product that later became a early style of jet fuel.. magnesium & a few other paints that mixed & formed this lethal cocktail this is the web site..it might have info you want or there appears to be a some web groups on zepplins etc that migh help you http://www.zeppelin-museum.de -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "DKurtz@Ameritech.net" Subject: Re: Minas Geraes class >> The Minas Gerais is a highly modified Colossus class carrier. << Hmmm. I guess I should have specified that what I'm interested in are the DREADNOUGHTS Minas Geraes and Sao Paolo of 1910 . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Ken LeClair Subject: Re: New book from Classic Warship Hello, First of all, thank you Chris for your support in my suggestion for a new book on the Japanese carriers. Today though I just wanted to add that I like the suggestions by Tim Reynaga and Ken Hoolihan. All these possibly great titles will be an excellent reason to spend our rainy day dollars. Regards, Ken LeClair HMCS Protecteur -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Justin D Richard" Subject: Re: Painting Question "Kevin writes: >> It just crossed my mind that I may be able to save some time and perhaps make the task of painting small parts easier by painting them as-they-are out of the box. My concern is having to mask off those teeny deck fixtures, on say Tamiya's 1/30 Missouri, something I dread doing on an assembled model. << I have been doing just that for a few models now, including the Missouri at present. I find it works quite well and requires a lot less masking. That plus some modular construction on the superstructures. Justin Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Re: New Models (Almost) >> Here is something for those with an interest in early US warships (the metal kind). I just received from Iron Shipwright . . . We have seen release of many of the Japanese and Russian pre-dreadnoughts and even a Spanish one, but these are the first US ships. << Actually there have been a few other 1:700 scale US 1890's era ships previously released as follows: USS Brooklyn 1898 vintage by NRC, Mr. Leonard might want to discuss the quality of this kit. USS Oregon 1898 vintage by Classic Warships, I understand that this kit has a solid middle deck much like the larger Glencoe kit. And from a little bit latter era USS CL Salem/Birmngham circa 1910 vintage by Loose Cannon. Certainly none of these kits are a match for the new ISW products, but for a long time they were the only game in 700 town. You are certainly correct on one point that you made, other than the Russian and Japanese series, very few warships of this era are available for the rest of the world. I would be particularly glad to see some early French and Italian subjects produced . . . having the Pelyo produced by Jadar was just too good to be true. Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Classic Warship Book Ideas I don't know if this would fit better in the realm of the AOTS style book, or the existing paperback book series, but I'd love to see a compendium of all the WWII ships that were converted to missile shooters during the 50's and 60's. Some truly weird and extraordinary boats came out of those experiments and stop-gaps. As far as your regular line of books, I think a volume on the Sims class DD's would be a great companion to the Benson Gleaves title you just released. Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: airartcsb@juno.com Subject: New painting Dear ship enthusiasts! I am looking to start a new naval painting and I would like to ask what ship or ships you would like to see painted? Best Wishes C.S.Bailey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: wmcgraham@netscape.net Subject: US 110 SC 1944 How do we get more messages about ship modeling and fewer messages about/from the industry "insiders" promoting their wares. The past few volumes have been pretty narrow and boring. Something useful to advancing the hobby would be nice. I am interested in WW2 subchasers and corvettes. Does anyone know anything about the US 110' SC's that were in the English Channel in 1944? What about the PC's on Atlantic patrol. Paint schemes; radar; weapons? Hi, Hang in there mate - every mailing list gets boring to individuals at one stage or another, but sooner or later the topic turns to something interesting like say RAN ships and models instead of all this boring USN stuff ;-) Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: HMS Jamaica Dec 43 Another Colony class query. I am modelling Jamaica as at Dec 43 battle of North Cape. There is a very clear shot of Jamaica published all over the place taken on 18 Sep 43 at Portsmouth after refit showing a stepped double tub on a mesh base aft of the mainmast. Commentary with the shot in Raven states that this was for the fitting of type 283 sets which had not been fitted. Question - when were they fitted? (ie. before or after North Cape) Or has Raven got this one wrong? I cannot think of another ship with 283 that did not have an octet 2pdr or a multiple Bofors. To have 283 for quad 2pdr would, therefore, be odd. Comments? All help appreciated John Sutherland Wellington New Zealand -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: HMS Newfoundland Hi all, Have the new Skytrex kit of the above which purports to be Newfoundland in 1943. Can find very little on her especially compared to her two sisters - Ceylon and Uganda. Have some queries. The kit has a 271 on a mesh platform in front of the bridge. Shot in Raven, bow on, also on British WW2 Cruiser site, and purported to be taken in Jan 43 on completion clearly shows 272 on top of bridge. There is, however, something unidentified on top of "B" turret. An undated shot at the head of the WW2 Cruiser site seems to show the Skytrex configuration but something doesn't quite look right about this shot. Skytrex also mould a fourth quad 2pdr on the front of the deckhouse abaft the rear funnel where the large FMBs were stored in earlier ships. Can find no references or photos to substantiate this except again the Cruiser site undated header shot (seems Skytrex based their kit on this). Shots of both her sisters show no sign of one in this position. All narratives suggest only 3. Skytrex have moulded all the boats on the flightdeck and no catapult although all references I have found state the aircraft arrangements were not removed until her May-Nov 44 refit, however the shots of her sisters show them there. Comments? Pointers to photos? She was refitted in Boston USA Aug 43 to Apr 44 following torpedo damage - possibly some US shots taken then? All help appreciated. John Sutherland Wellington New Zealand -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Richa5011@aol.com Subject: Tamiya Prinz Eugen Holy Cow! Where did this come from!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about surprise...or maybe I just wasn't paying attention. This is from Squadron's "New" page for today. Has anyone actually seen one of these in the flesh? 1/700 Scale Manufacturer: Tamiya from Japan Subject: Prinz Eugen Stock No: TM31805 Type: Ship Models Description: Prinz Eugen. WW II German heavy cruiser. Highly detailed decks, superstructure, and armament. Contains parts for 1941 or 1942 configuration. 12 inches long. MSRP: $31.00 Price: $25.96 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "aa8." Subject: 1/400th Karel Doorman >> The Minas Gerais is a highly modified Colossus class carrier. The mods include an 8.5o angled deck, Fresnel system, new elevators, steam catapults, modernized island and electronics, removal of most AA mounts - still had 2 40 mm Quad w/radar and 1 40 mm Twin when last in service. Heller did a kit of the Arromanches which had been the Colossus and is a good kit of this class during the war. I suppose it would be the easier "modern" version to built, the Viraat (Centaur class) or Vikrant (Majestic class) could both be built by modifying the Heller kit, but are a real pain to do according to the guy who did it! Other ships that can be modified and built from this kit include the Argie Indepencia & 25 de Mayo, Austrailian Sydney, Vengeance or Melbourne, etc. << Hello All Some Dutch guys at I think at IPMS did a nice conversion to turn the Arromanches into the Dutch carrier Karel Doorman. In the box you get a complete Heller Arromanches kit, plus resin parts (island, flight deck extension etc) plus a respectable brass fret and injection moulded aircraft (Trackers, Sikorsky Helios) and decals. All together a really nice package. I saw them for sale at Telford last year and recently bought a couple. I kept one and sent the other one to fellow SMMLie Roger Torgeson. I know he has been doing some research in preparation to building it. The only down side I could see with the kit was the Dutch instructions which are very detailed but incomprehensible to me (hardly the fault of the Dutch or the kit!!). I think this package is still available and I can recommend it. I believe you can also turn the kit in to the 25 de Mayo with a bit of effort. regards Andy Jones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Jansen, Matthijs" Subject: painting Question I read your message Kelvin about painting. I always painted all the parts before I assembled anything. Only parts that can be assembled and then masked without problems are assembled togetheter. For example the left and the right side of a funnel when the upper side has to be painted in a different colour than the lower side. This assembled funnel is easy to mask. To keep track of all the small parts that I have cut out (that means, all the parts in the kit) I have made sheets of very thick white paper. Each sheet gets the name of one of the sprues (is that a correct word? I mean those racks that contain a number of parts) for example A B C or D. I have made them until G. Then you draw a lot of lines on the paper to devide the paper in 50 pieces. Give each piece a number. On each piece you put a little part. For example, part 23 from sprue C comes on sheet C location 23. Why all this trouble? When you have cut out all of your pieces it is very easy to paint all the pieces that need the same colour at the same time, after painting you can put the pieces back on the sheet (if you don't use airbrush, get plastic sheets instead of paper or everything will stick!!!!!!!). You will never lose a part again. At least it worked for me, I use this method because I have grey carpet and I have lost some small deck-parts to the "carpet gnomes" (which SMMlie came up with this name?) When you want to paint little deck figures, it it likely to happen that you blow them away with your airbrush. I just use a piece of masking tape (or double-sided tape, very, very strong) and I put the little pieces on hem with the side that doesn't need paint. Very easy painting is now possible and, again, you won,t lose a part. Oh, one last remark, you don't have to mask the area on the parts that you are goingpaint, just paint the whole thing and then later remove a bit of paint with a knife or something. Saves a lot of trouble. matthijs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Re: Seehund "Andrew Jones" wrote: >> The exact location of the submarine has to be determined and then a sheet pile wall will be built around the submarine. After that the torpedoes can be disarmed. I hope they intend to salvage the seehund & not just blow the thing to pieces..It would make another good museum piece..i think there is only 1 or 2 in the world..in a museum in Germany & the other in London I think..well only time will tell, maybe to cut the risk of the navy teams they will say just blow it up.. << Andrew, I hope they salvage the torpedoes as well as the sub. There are around 1/2 dozen Seehunds on display around the world. One Seehund is on the pier right next to the USS Salem here in Quincy, Massachusetts. It spent many years at the Submarine Force Museum in Grotton CT, before being sent up here around 1 year ago. The U5075 does not have any torpedoes attached, so the museum's archivist is looking to have replicas made. Find the Historic Naval Ships Association web page to find the locations of most museum ships in North America. Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http://www.uss-salem.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Dirk Emmermacher" Subject: Re: german translation Hello Andrew. >> Rumpf: (I hope this doesn't mean RUMP,lol) my guess going by the colour box art/pic is this is the hull? << Yes. >> Aufbauten: my guess again is the super structure above the hull Deck: well derrr the deck, but does this inculde all horizontal surfaces << Yes. >> Schornstein-Kappen: is that the water line mark? or is the funnel tops? << Yes. Best regards. Dirk Emmermacher, Germany -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume