Subject: SMML VOL 1591 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:00:39 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: IJN Kagero references 2: Re: Tamiya Prinz Eugen 3: Re: german translation 4: Re: Dutch close beach to disarm German WW2 submarine 5: USN MRF Ships 6: Re: 1/700 USS OREGON 7: New Painting by C.S. Bailey 8: A Cure For Boredom 9: US Coast Guard A/C 10: US subchasers 11: HMS Newfoundland 12: Re: Minas Gerais, Arromanches, Karel Doorman 13: Re: Jamaica in Dec 1943 14: Re: Classic Warship Book Ideas 15: Canadian sub 16: Re: Sims book 17: Re: Tamiya Prinz Eugen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: BustoffRC@aol.com Subject: IJN Kagero references Looking for books/drawings for IJN Kagero, for use in building the NICHIMO kit. Any good ones out there? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: Re: Tamiya Prinz Eugen Hi That's amazing news about the tamiya Prinz Eugen .When I was at the hobby shop yeterseday I checked out Trumpter ,Hasegawa and Tamiya. The new 2002 catalogue for Tamiya didn't have a picture at all of the Prinz Eugen. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Frank Laturnus" To: "SMML" Subject: Re: german translation >>> Schornstein-Kappen: is that the water line mark? or is the funnel tops? <<< Yes. << Dirk forgot to say that ""Schornsteinkappen" are the funnel tops, not the water line mark Frank -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: CA139JOHNF@aol.com Subject: Re: Dutch close beach to disarm German WW2 submarine >> ..It would make another good museum piece..i think there is only 1 or 2 in the world..in a museum in Germany & the other in London I think..well only time will tell, maybe to cut the risk of the navy teams they will say just blow it up.. << The Seehund from the Submarine Force Museum in New London, CT was relocated last year to the US Naval Shipbuilding Museum in Quincy, MA. It currently is on the pier next to the USS Salem, sporting a new coat of paint and awaiting planned restoration. John Frohock USNSM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: USN MRF Ships Can anyone recommend a source for plans of the various USN Mobile Riverine Force ships? I have plans for USS BENEWAH (APB-35), but I'm looking for plans of the APLs, ARLs, and YRBMs used by the MRF as well. Thanks for the help. Matt Prager Bahrain -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/700 USS OREGON >> USS Oregon 1898 vintage by Classic Warships, I understand that this kit has a solid middle deck much like the larger Glencoe kit. << I had an article in the JUL/AUG 98 issue of Ships in Scale showing how to correct this kit and also how to convert it to a USS MASSACHUSETTS. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: DaveRiley1@aol.com Subject: New Painting by C.S. Bailey In response to this request, I would like to see something representative of the Cold War destroyer activity. My preference would be something like a FRAM 1 destroyer doing something routine like planeguarding or combined ASW ops. This year is the 100th anniversary of destroyers. Dave Riley Portsmouth, RI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: A Cure For Boredom >> How do we get more messages about ship modeling and fewer messages about/from the industry "insiders" promoting their wares. The past few volumes have been pretty narrow and boring. Something useful to advancing the hobby would be nice. I am interested in WW2 subchasers and corvettes. << If you really want to keep it lively, post something for us about the SCs, corvettes and PCs. Get a good thread going. When SMML gets REAL boring, scroll through the subject header and hit the delete button--then get out some good books. You might try William Veigele's "PC, The Patrol Craft Of World War II" or "Subchaser" and "Little Ship, Big War," both by Edward P. Stafford. The 'Little Ship' book is about USN DEs, but they were the ultimate ASW ship in the North Atlantic. "U.S. Small Combatants" by Norman Friedman has a lot of good history on SC development. Another good SC book is "Splinter Fleet" by Theodore Treadwell. Corvette books abound out there and some good ones are "Corvettes Canada" by Mac Johnston, "Anatomy Of The Ship, HMCS Agassiz," by McKay and Harland (I'm building a 1/192 scale Agassiz from this one) and "To Sea In Haste" by Roland T. Carr. There are so many more titles, they would fill a library. Finally, if you get really, really bored reading SMML, get a copy of Nicholas Monserrat's "The Cruel Sea." Although it isn't exactly a blow-by-blow historical account, it gives a good idea of life on the little corvettes. My old hardcover copy sits right next to Joe Connelley's "Bringing Out The Dead." Of course, all of the above are "wares" for sale, but they sure do promote the hobby! Without them, we'd have nothing but opinions and posts to base our research on. After all that reading, definitely post your thoughts. SMML is composed entirely of posts by members (with an occasional snip by the list keeper). Write, don't just read the list. That's the only way of keeping our e-mail interesting. BTW, if you need SC photos, let me know offlist and I will e-mail you some jpegs. Best Regards, Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: US Coast Guard A/C Mates, I know this is sort of a tangential topic, but it does deal with a USCG C-130 (ok I confess, I also do "winged" things, sigh). Heller has a 1/72 kit of the C-130 in USCG livery and it is much less expensive than any other 1/72 C-130 kit. Know any reason? Is it really an inferior product or are the other 1/72 kits out there so very much better? I am working on a USCG program at the moment, and felt there is a small waterish tie-in, please forgive me for being so brash. Thanks, Gene Katz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: US subchasers Hi, er, "WMC" At the risk of appearing to promote someone's wares, if you are interested in US 110ft subchasers, you should try Volume 1 of Allied Coastal Forces of WW2, by fellow SMMLies John Lambert and Al Ross. There is a section on these beasts, with hull elevation and deck plans, hull lines, photos and a construction list, together with drawings of the weapons. I am not sure if it is still in print, but the usual sources (libraries, Ebay etc.) may be able to locate one. As an added bonus, it also covers Fairmile boats. Much as I would like to have a share of the (no doubt minimal!) royalties, I have no connection with either authors or publishers etc. etc.. As to content, the posts on SMML are a function of what the 1,200 members choose to send. Anyone in an editorial position is faced with the potential problem that some issues may not contain anything of interest but the difference with fora such as this is that Shane does not commission content so has no control over what goes in. Ultimately, if you want more content on ship modelling, the best way to be sure of getting it is to write it yourself. Maybe all the people who are actually making things are too busy doing so to post about it! But I do talk a good model ;-) Robert Lockie Swindon UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: HMS Newfoundland Hi John In my copy of Raven's cruiser book, the photo on p314 seems to show a life raft (end on) on B turret b (in the photo, it is just to the right of what I take to be a radar in a tub in front of the bridge). Is that the object to which you refer of have I missed the point? Robert Lockie Swindon UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "John Rodriguez Asti" Subject: Re: Minas Gerais, Arromanches, Karel Doorman Hello: Does anybody knows where can be bought a model of the Colossus/Majestic class aircraft carriers? Many thanks, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Jamaica in Dec 1943 Type 283 radar was a set used to control the six inch guns in long range AA fire. I believe that the first ship to be fitted with type 283 was the Kenya in December 1942. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "TIMOTHY BROOKS" Subject: Re: Classic Warship Book Ideas >> I don't know if this would fit better in the realm of the AOTS style book, or the existing paperback book series, but I'd love to see a compendium of all the WWII ships that were converted to missile shooters during the 50's and 60's. Some truly weird and extraordinary boats came out of those experiments and stop-gaps. As far as your regular line of books, I think a volume on the Sims class DD's would be a great companion to the Benson Gleaves title you just released. << Echo, echo. Everything up to but not including the Adams, Leahy and Belknaps would be nice, since everything 'till then was essentially a conversion of an existing class or design. Maybe the book could be stretched to include the orphans Bainbridge, Truxtun and Long Beach. Having said that, Long Beach with all of her variations (I'd love to see design drawings with the Polaris tubes as originally contemplated) might make an entire book. Perhaps a book featuring all three nucs in one volume? The early missile ships are sadly neglected, I think, probably 'cause us old guys keep building WWII ('cept Rhino Bones, who hasn't caught up that far yet ). Actually, I dream of a book on the missile ships that looks and feels like Sumrall's volume on the Sumner/Gearings, but, I'm old now, and still have an active imagination... Tim Brooks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Jim McNeil" Subject: Canadian sub Just a note to tell you that the Canadian sub is back to sea and has a full complement of hockey sticks (essential for playing deck hockey) and plastic yogurt tub bailers. She's been out since monday (today is Friday) so either the "Hairy Arsed" sailer has been trained as to which way to turn the water tap or the bailers are working very well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Sims book >> As far as your regular line of books, I think a volume on the Sims class DD's would be a great companion to the Benson Gleaves title you just released. << Devin, The Sims class DD book is in the works. Hopefully next year sometime. I want to do one destroyer type per year. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Tamiya Prinz Eugen I just received one of the new Prinz Eugen kits today, and WOW is right!!! This is possibly the best ship kit Tamiya has EVER done in ANY scale. Really good!!! I will do an in depth review for Model Ship Journal very soon. I highly recommend this kit to anyone. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume