Subject: SMML VOL 1595 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:35:37 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: IJN Carrier deck refuelling details 2: Re: Herbaceous Borders Class (aka WWI Flowers) 3: Bismarck and Prinz Eugen 1/700 4: Re: Alabama & Drum 5: Scharnhorst deck question 6: Re: WWII Subchasers 7: HMS GAMORGAN 8: 110' SC Hull in Fiberglass 9: Re: RN County Class Destroyers 10: Re: Herbaceous Borders Class (aka WWI Flowers) 11: FSM horoscope 12: misc 13: Wooden Decks & Info 14: Book Review Warship Perspectives: Flush Deck Destroyers in World War II -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: USCG Subjects Model List Updated -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: " Harvey Low" Subject: IJN Carrier deck refuelling details Does anyone know what the deck refuelling details would look like for Japanese Fleet Carriers? Specifically, I'm almost finished building a 1/500 SORYU and want to model her seconds before she was sunk with all the refeulling hoses, bombc and torpedoes laden across her deck. Did the IJN use any small fuel stations/assessories on deck? I've been modelling and studying IJN subjects for years now but have never seen any photos of these details. Any help or theories would be appreciated. Harvey Low -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: Herbaceous Borders Class (aka WWI Flowers) >> I would like to add some illustrations on the WWI Flower Class Sloops to my corvette website << The FLOWER article runs from pp 41-55 and includes a number of good photos, historical text, the usual tables (specs, launch dates, fates, etc.), a basic rigging plan for MARCUERITE & MICONONETTE, and an inboard profile LYCHNIS. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Einar Kr Holtet" Subject: Bismarck and Prinz Eugen 1/700 Tamiya versions are certainly one of the best. For comparison, how would Frank Allen judge the 1/600 Airfix version of Bismarck? Horrible? May be passable? Or what? Einar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: Alabama & Drum Hi SMMLies, Here is my opinion of those two and maybe BB 55. I have seen the Massachusetts drydocked three years ago in Boston. It was her first time out of the water in 46 years. She too was on the verge of sinking within a few years prior to the drydocking. I'm not sure of the North Carolina but the SO-Daks have only from 5/8" - 1"1/4" thick shell plating. When the yard workers sand blasted her hull at the waterline area they blew through the skin. Nothing major but a few pin holes. I was there when we discovered this. I was with Chris Nardi (curator) and we were next to barbett #1 on the second deck right even with the waterline. I notice a small speck of light coming through the bulkhead. We took a piece of red coated wire and put it through the hole then went out to the dock wall and found it coming out right at the waterline. Mamie's hull was pitted at some places over 1/2" deep and that was before the sand blasting. You are correct about the side of the ship that faces out to the river. it is much worse for wear the inboard side. also the inboard side doesn't have the river splashing on it 24-7. The cure for this was they put 1" plating all around her hull at the waterline. Eight foot high by twelve ft' long all butted together and welded in place. They however do stand out but to the untrained eye you can't tell if they're the original plates or new ones. The welds were also X rayed as well to check for cracks. The overall cost was 10 million and took 3.5 months. Seaphoto will soon have lots of photos of BB 59 and CA 139 in their collection, check them out. Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Scharnhorst deck question Hi Everybody, I was talking to a freind of mine last night, and the subject of the decking under the Scharnhorst's anchor chains came up. My first thought was that, like other ships I have seen, this area would be protected by a steel plate to avoid the damage of heavy chains dragging across the wood deck. My references on both the Scharnhorst and the Gneisenau were not conclusive on this point, but it seemed that they had a seperate planked section that looks like wood planks, raised about an inch off the deck. A photo of this area on the Graf Spee reinforces this theory. My questions are: 1. Was this area planked with wood or steel strips. 2. If wood, was it a different species? It seems darker in photos. 3. What would be the best material to simulate this on a large model (1/100 scale) that is being otherwise planked with basswood strips? Thank in advance for any help. Cordially, Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography www.warshipphotos.com - Order via our online catalog...now taking credit cards via Paypal Warship Models Underway - www.warshipmodelsunderway.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Lawman555@aol.com Subject: Re: WWII Subchasers To those inquiring about the WWII SC's In an effort to extend my thanks to those of you that assisted me in obtaining information on the WWII SC's, I wish to offer my support to those of you interested in scratchbuilding your own SC, or modifying the WWI version that can be sometimes found on Ebay, or from a Hobby store. When I began my search, there was very little if any info on line. Now I am happy to say, more and more resources are becoming available. Ted Treadwell and his web site and book are very useful. Al Ross's book on the Allied Coastal Forces contributes greatly to those who wish to scratchbuild or modify a model. On my web site I have my as yet uncompleted model displayed. I have also offered myself for anyone wishing information about the SC's. Although my info pales by comparison to Ted and Al's, you never know when one small piece of information fits into a puzzle and completes another person's quest. In addition, I am in the process of Scanning all 4 rolls of Microfilm into my computer. These 4 rolls constitute the blueprints for every WWII era SC ever built. Feel free to stop by my web site or email me with any questions. I hope to have the scans available perhaps late this year. Thanks to all of you. Hope this helps someone. Jim Myers http://members.aol.com/lawman555/subchaser.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "sell4853" Subject: HMS GAMORGAN Have a look at http://www.modelwarships.com/gallery/dd/hms/Glamorgan-600-gp/glamorgan-index.html or search on HMS GLAMORGAN which will give you http://www.hmsglamorgan.cwc.net/ or look at http://www.crosswinds.net/~imm220/kits/axdevnsh.htm Best of luck from Norman SELLS Kent U.K. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: 110' SC Hull in Fiberglass Hi Ted: I saw a pre-production sample photo of Microglass' new 110' WWII Subchaser hull-- What a beaut! Even as a jpeg, the thing looks great. I'm getting together a set of Tamiya's old "Famous Generals" figure kits and saving my pennies, this one would make a really nice large-scale "small combatant" model. Of course, it'll become the SC-772. BTW, I really enjoyed your SC book. Can hardly wait to smell the fresh 'glass when I open the box, Victor Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Re: RN County Class Destroyers Do have a look at the IPMS(UK) Small Warships SIG website - www.brown.abelgratis.co.uk There is a feature and some photographs in Escort Issue 03 which you might find useful. White Ensign Models produce an etched brass set with which to superdetail the model and also stock the range of plans from Jecobin (scale 1:192) which includes a very good drawing of HMS Fife. Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Re: Herbaceous Borders Class (aka WWI Flowers) Warship 1989 contains a 15 page feature by Keith McBride. It includes nine photographs, two of which are full page - the prototype Acacia and Valerian. There is a small scale rigging plan of Marguerite/Mignonette and an internal profile of Lychnis. The text is very interesting and contains lots of detail on both the origins and development of these craft. Finally there is a table of builders/launch dates etc.covering 24 vessels of the original Acacia Class (ordered January 1915), 12 vessels of the Azelea Class (ordered May 1915), and 36 vessels of the Arabis Class (ordered July 1915). The 8 French Flowers, all launched in 1916, are also listed as are the similar vessels of the Aubretia and Anchusa Class. Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: david_l._miller@ccmail.wiu.edu Subject: FSM horoscope What!!! an FSM April issue Fool's joke?? I can't believe it.! My horoscope sounded so true. Guess I'm the April Fool :>). Dave Miller Macomb, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: misc wow 2 x andrew's here.. well he can be Andy & I can be ANDREW, lol To MR bailey, hm what ships I would lie to see painted.... well I guess the big ships have been doen to death, what about a couple of destroyers say the USS Johnson (or was it Johnston well anyhow) the ship that the captain won the C.M.H carging down the Japanese fleet to protect the jeep carriers off the Philipines, imagine the picture, the Jap fleet in the back ground with flashes of the rounds going off & he comes this little destroyers @ flank speend, being hit by shells (well actually I'd prefer it without being hit) charing in at the main battle force..or maybe some of those forgotten ships in WW2, the patrol minesweepers etc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Ken LeClair Subject: Wooden Decks & Info Hello Modelers, I have 2 requests today, first being some info on painting wooden decks in 1/700. I appreciate help from some previous replys but I would like to know if the following are members of SMML. Mikiya Yushihara Nico Sarai Yoshio Sato Masuyuki Tsuruoka I was impressed by the models of the Hi-Mold 1/700 Fuso these gentlemen made and would appreciate if they could share with me the techniques they used to paint the wooden decks on these models. Now the 2nd request. Being a crew member of the Canadian Navy, I am due to go to sea and will likely visit a few ports in the near future. Would like info on hobby shops and good book stores with good nautical sections in places such as Pearl Harbour/Honolulu, Singapore, Lisbon, Dutch Antilles, and SanDiego. Look forward to any help. Regards and Happy Modelling Ken LeClair, MS HMCS Protecteur Victoria, BC, Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Book Review Warship Perspectives: Flush Deck Destroyers in World War II Book Review Warship Perspectives: Flush Deck Destroyers in World War II,by Glenn R. Arnold. WR Press Inc. 2001 We are indeed fortunate as ship modelers to be the beneficiaries of the relative wealth of reference materials during the recent past. The Naval Institute, Conway's and others have produced a wide variety of hardback reference books that, while pricey, offer valuable information. The alternative over the years has been the softbound warship monograph, whose recent return is very fortunate for the budget minded modeler. In the US, we have not only the occasional Squadron/ Signal forays into the naval world, but also two dedicated publishers who compete for your warship reference dollars. Classic Warship's prolific series has become the gold standard in photographic reproduction in short period of time, and I, for one, eagerly await each new volume. Warship Perspectives books, while not as numerous, have also been steadily increasing in quality. Their new offering, Flush Deck Destroyers in World War II is a very valuable addition to the literature on the Four Piper destroyers so common in the US Fleet during the interwar years. This book covers the final years of these ships, as they were all discarded shortly after the end of the War. Extensive photographic coverage of both the base destroyer and converted variants gives a modeler many choices in creating a highly detailed replica. Although some of the photos are a bit muddy in quality, the vast majority are crisp and all are very useful. These pictures are supplemented by drawings, including a fold out plan view and outboard profile of the H.M.S. Montgomery, by Alan Raven, who did the drawings for the book. They will give you a general idea of the arrangement of the ships, but would need to be supplemented with a good set for model building purposes, as they are a bit simplistic and do not include hull lines. There are also some drawings of weapons and sensors from US Navy sources, and these suffer from a lack of reproduction quality. These are minor points, however, and do not detract from the overall value of the book. I would highly recommend this book to anyone with an interest in building a model of a 4 piper. The photo series on the USS Rathburne (APD-25) alone are worth the price of admission; these are the kind of photos that make a super detailer's mouth water! Whether you are building one of the resin kits, the venerable Revell offering, or one of the Scale Shipyards hulls (1/96 or 1/48 scale), this is a must have book, along with John Alden's Flush Decks and Four Pipes. Review sample courtesy of Franciscan Hobbies, San Francisco, California Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography www.warshipphotos.com Order via our online catalog...now taking credit cards via Paypal Warship Models Underway www.warshipmodelsunderway.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: USCG Subjects Model List Updated Hello all, Just a note to let everyone know that I've updated my USCG subjects model list web page. I've got listings for ships, boats, and aircraft, static and RC, covering the period from 1790 to the present. I'm always looking for feedback or additional items to add to the list..... Thanx, Bill Check out my US Coast Guard subjects model list at: http://www.tiac.net/users/billkaja/kitlist.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume