Subject: SMML VOL 1599 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:00:52 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Sea Classics 2: KM torpedo colors 3: Re: Affordable CAD software for model builders 4: Re: Wants & Needs 5: HP Flowers 6: Re: Prinz Eugen 7: Re: german navy 8: Brooklyn 9: Kit Prices and Yesteryear 10: Re: H.M.S. GLAMORGAN 11: Re: SSM and Sea Classics 12: Cover Story: The Longest War - February/March 2002 13: Revell Cutty Sark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Small scale props -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ELLshipmodeler@aol.com Subject: Re: Sea Classics It's coming clear to me also. I too received an issue of Sea Classics last week. I couldn't understand why. I was a long time subscriber to Scale Ship Modeler, and I just wrote off the money due me for the unfulfilled subscription issues when they folded. I guess this is either a "refund" on my subscription, or an attempt at advertising Sea Classics using the SSM mailing list. Maybe both, but with the latter high on the priority list. Gene Larson Alexandria, Virginia Member, NRG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: JKrakow@aol.com Subject: KM torpedo colors The KM's steel torpedo body was not painted. It was silver in color. However, note that before they were inserted into the tubes (at least on submarines) the torpedos were slathered with grease, giving them a yellow hue. The warhead color was, I believe, dark grey. Long ago, the warheads of U-505's torpedoes were yellow. I believe this was the original paint. What the significance of this color is, I do not yet know. In the RN, yellow indicated a dummy warhead, however, in the KM, dummies were indicated by red/white stripes. After numerous "restorations" the U-505 torpedoes were repainted in different colors. Dave www.PrinzEugen.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Affordable CAD software for model builders >> You are talking about 3D CAD software and that just is not cheap, especially if you want surface expansions. Think $3.5-4K. I don't recall if Rhino has surface expansion already included or not: $895. If you've gone that far, just take your IGES file to a job shop and have them produce the hull in a 3D printer. << He's right about the $3,000.00 software if you use AutoCAD. It's about $2300.00 just for the bare program, and another $500.00 or so for the 3D drafting "add on" program. However, I have been using DesignCad software for over 10 years now in my business, and I can assure you it has all the features and power ANY CAD program (including AutoCAD) in the world has (including animation, 2D drafting, 3D drafting, renderings, walkthroughs, you name it). The full blown program I have runs about $180.00! BEAT THAT! Go to their web site and check it out for yourself at: http://designcad.com/ You can also pick up DesignCad light for even less, but it has far less features, and no 3D capability. It's not hard to learn to use, although the 3D does take more time due to it's complexity. I became pretty good on the program in about three months. However, once you learn how to use the program, it will prove invaluable if you need to make 3D drawings. It's an extremely powerful and impressive CAD program for the money. I use it in my everyday business as a professional home designer and illustrator. I also use it on all my photo etch designs. It comes in real handy when I can test fit all my PE parts while still in the computer! It is also UNBEATABLE when making really nice 3D drawings for my instruction sheets. And yes, it is compatible with AutoCAD, and will export and import DWG, DXF, IGES, WMF, HPGL and XYZ files. And FREE technical support for the life of your program! BEAT THAT! When I first got my program and was learning 3D, I made a bunch of calls to these guys and they happily answered every question I had. DesignCad even has a built in tutorial program to teach you to use it! BEAT THAT! I guarantee you it will be the best $180.00 you will ever spend. I don't work for DesignCad, or have any interest in the company. I'm just a VERY satisfied customer and user of their product. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. Purchase on line with your Visa/Master Card/Amex/Discover http://okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Re: Wants & Needs Hi Steve and everyone else, So true, so true...Especially after a bunch of beers!! I think Allan said it best. We tend to make the choices rather than affordabiltity the main issue...That is what I do...If its $10 or $100, I don't buy it if it isn't worth it to me...Now, to get to NEEDS and WANTS. I WANTED the Tamiya Prinz Eugen, so I bought it!!! Now I NEED your book!!!!! When will it be ready???? Also, my vote for an Arizona AOTS-type pub from you.... Regards, John Impenna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Gordon Scott Subject: HP Flowers Hi there! I have been reading SMML mails for a long time and I thought it was time to break my silence! I have just completed the two WEM Flower Class Corvettes, Buttercup and Bluebell and I would like to add to my collection. Now HP models have about a dozen different Flowers listed and I would like to know if they are at all different, ie short forecastle or very late model. I have built three HP models already so I know that they are harder work than WEM. Gordon Scott, Cambridge, UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: DRPREUL@aol.com Subject: Re: Prinz Eugen I have a photo of Prinz Eugen during the Channel Dash (broadside) and Steve is correct as far as the camo. The hull appears to be a solid color. There wasn't any stripe pattern down the side like what is illustrated in the Koop and Schmolke book on the Hipper Class. There does seem to be a mottled camo from the main deck up as is seen in a few other photos. What colors I don't know, but she had a mottled camo at Brest before leaving for the Dash. I believe Steve could be correct with his idea of green and brown but we don't have any proof, but it makes sense as far as a camo at port as seen from the air with a camouflage net over her. There are a few photos of her at Brest. Hope this helps out Don Preul........J&D Productions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Tom Kremer Subject: Re: german navy >> The German navy had a variety of practices on this point over the years. For example, the WW2 PRINZ EUGEN seems to have used teak on teak, as did WWI BADEN (BB). WW1 SCHARNHORST (CA) used mahogany on teak, << Perhaps it's cruel to say it but given how seldom German warships of either war weighted anchor maybe deck wear and tear caused by the anchor chain wasn't an issue. Tom K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Brooklyn So it was you Mike who so bravely decided that NCR's Brooklyn can be transformed into a decent looking model??!! It is my opinion too that it's probably THE worst resin model I have ever come across and I certainly do not wish to belittle your efforts but I have 2 questions: 1- I know that you probably took it as a challenge but don't you think it would be as time consuming and (probably) less frustrating if you attempted to scratchbuild the whole thing from the start??? 2- after your work will be over, what procentage of the original resin would be left in this kit??? Best wishes D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Kit Prices and Yesteryear >> ...will question prices (and quality), and even when you explain why they are what they are, there will still be some resistance to the prices in a world that grew up with $1 waterline destroyers and $.69 Revell kits... << Please don't make me feel any older than I am, this is supposed to be a fun hobby, not a trip down memory lane. LOL. I well remember those 69 and 79 cent kits, Renwal, Aurora, Hawk, Buzzco (a forerunner of Heller), etc. Going to the mom-and-pop hobby shop was like unwrapping a birthday present to me. With a one dollar bill in my hot little hand, it was nothing but pure fun to browse the shelves. I remember when the flat-bottomed Revell "Missouri" came out and my mom said it was too expensive. There was no on-line ordering, naturally, and the large discount stores were just starting to raise their snouts above ground level. The owner of our local hobby shop warned us not to buy from those big stores because they wouldn't take kits back, wouldn't order replacement parts for us if one was broken, etc. But even then, ship models took a back seat to aircraft and cars. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "sell4853" Subject: Re: H.M.S. GLAMORGAN Have a look at http://www.modelwarships.com/gallery/dd/hms/Glamorgan-600-gp/glamorgan-index.html or search on HMS GLAMORGAN which will give you http://www.hmsglamorgan.cwc.net/ or look at http://www.crosswinds.net/~imm220/kits/axdevnsh.htm Best of luck from Norman SELLS Kent U.K. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: SSM and Sea Classics >> Anybody else having this Bermuda Triangle experience? << Darren, I think you know why that publisher is called the "Mentally Challenged Publications". Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Cover Story: The Longest War - February/March 2002 Somewhat long --- but well worth reading http://www.americanheritage.com/AMHER/2002/01/longwar.shtml -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Wilgossett@aol.com Subject: Revell Cutty Sark Hi, All: I wonder if anyone out there might have a set of instructions for the Revell 1/96 scale Cutty Sark? That's the big one. I would be happy to pay for a photo copy as I've seemed to have lost mine and I think I might like to start it soon. Also, has anyone built this kit and can offer tips or commentary on it? I have Villier's book on the ships history and Longridge's book on the a scratch-built model but no info on the kit itself. Thanks, Will Gossett Atlanta, GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Small scale props >> I could also use some suggestions for scratch building 700 scale props. I haven't seen and props available in the PE market, so I assume that I'll have to make them myself. << The reason you don't see any small scale PE props on the market is there is no real demand for them. I know there are a few 1/700 and 1/500 scale subjects that could benefit from them, but it would take a long time to make the investment back on the props. Flagship Models has props in 1/350 and 1/400 for US BB's, DD's and CA's. We also carry anti cavitation props for 1/350 and 1/700 US ballistic missile, attack, and USSR modern subs. Check them out at web site. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. 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