Subject: SMML VOL 1601 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:24:12 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Why is a ship called "she" 2: Trumpeter Type XXI and VII U-Boats 3: Book Topics 4: Rubber molds 5: The Seattle Times Home Page 6: Rhode Island-size Antarctic ice shelf collapses 7: CNN.com - Ships to lose their femininity - March 20, 2002 8: Re: Soldering white metal 9: Re: Revell 1/72 S-Boat PE Set/Trumpeter 1/200 Sovremenny Replacement 10: HMS Laforey - Spring 1942 11: Re: Prinz Eugen 12: Re: german navy 13: Re: prinz eugen 14: Re: Book Idea-Panay 15: New Jersey and Liberty book 16: Re: Prinz Eugen 17: Marine Model Company and USS Trigger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Prinz Eugen & S-100 Books 2: Books -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Why is a ship called "she" Not all ships take the feminine gender. Ships in the French and German Navies, for example, employ the masculine. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "michael thrupp" Subject: Trumpeter Type XXI and VII U-Boats At the the risk of re-opening an old thread (not my intention), I have recently seen the Trumpet 1:144th kit of the Type XXI U-Boat U-2518 and while not surprised to see that it was an exact copy of the Revell AG kit, but was surprised to see that it included provision for motorisation and bath-tub diving as per the Academy kit of the Type IX U-Boat. I was EVEN more surprised to see that Trumpeter in their wisdom had included in the middle of their instructions exact reproductions of the Revell assembly drawings, complete with hatched line shading etc. - still, I suppose it saves valuable time and money for even more copying. Just to prove what kind of hypocrite I am, I am still REALLY looking forward to the Trumpeter 1:350 Essex and Enterprise classes. I understand that Trumpeter have announced a 1:144th kit of a Type VIIc U-boat, listed I believe on WEM's online catalog - Does anyone know if this is a new moulding tool or, a CAD/CAMmed copy down of the old Revell 1:125th Type VIIb kit with some mods? Grateful for any enlightenment Mike Thrupp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Rowe, William L." Subject: Book Topics People may be showing more interest in the topics, i.e. ships, they know about? Would Naval techniques be a suitable topic? UNREP is one subject that as far as I know isn't discussed historically. There seems to have been tremendous development between the time when people fueled astern to having an oilier having ships on either side. Amphib operations also are not well documented. Our warrant boatswain preferred yard and stay to swinging boom. I can tell you why, but not how. Both would be subjects for diaramas. Bill Rowe (who doesn't spell well) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Rubber molds Andrew, Just read your letter and inclosed article on rubber molds. I have been doing molding for well over 12 years. I am a Grandfather of two fine grandsons. My home has a large basement so we have set up a double deck set of tables for two independent "N" gauge model railroads. Each represents the rail support of a port of embarkation. In this way we cover the D Day time period as well as the Desert Storm time period. We model RR flat cars and gondola cars as well as miscellaneous seaport equipment plus tugs and barges. Of course we need many tanks, trucks, etc as flat car loads. Each boy has his own railroad. I buy, of course from US companies, resin and rubber mold material. Some of the molds are 12 years old an still work well. Recently I discovered a special rubber "paint" mold material at an artist's supply shop. For large items, where individual molds would be too expensive, I "paint" these with the compound and reinforce the molds with special strips of dry wall seam reinforcing material which is stiff "gauze" in two inch wide rolls.. It takes several layers of "painted" rubber mold then one layer of "gauze" covered with several "painted" layers of mold material. The result is a semi hard cast - especially good for larger ship hulls - like LST models. I then build a wooden box and place the casts and fill the remaining voids with plaster of paris to keep the mold integrity. Slit the bow and stern ends to make it easier to remove the plaster of paris material. This is cheap and very effective. I have little or no trouble with air pockets as "N" scale is so small. After creating a 5 section mold box out of strip cardboard - cut 1/2 way through for corners - then stapling the extra 5th piece to the last end section I have a suitable box. This is rubber glued to masonite 12" by 12'' bases. To prevent leakage I use common kid's clay rolled into section and pressed along the bottom edge of all four sides. I then rubber glue the waterline hull to the middle of the box, filling any of the undersides voids first with clay. After the rubber mold mixture is poured, I immediately tap the underside masonite base against a small block of wood which releases the air bubbles to rise to the top and disappear. For special parts like ships masts, I rubber glue a tiny dowel under each mast piece; then rubber glue the bottom of the dowel to the masonite base. When the cast is dry the sprue is connected only by a very thin area to the mast section. This is easily sanded off. I am sure you may be aware of these techniques - if so, forgive the duplication. Regards, John Kutina - Seattle, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: The Seattle Times Home Page See Russian sub artical -- sorry I could not isolate it for you http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/home/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Rhode Island-size Antarctic ice shelf collapses http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/134422817_ice20.html http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/20/science/physical/20ICE.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: director@njahof.org Subject: CNN.com - Ships to lose their femininity - March 20, 2002 Blasphemy!!!!!! Damn Lloyd's List!!! CNN.com - Ships to lose their femininity - March 20, 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Soldering white metal >> Joking aside, although technically solder can be used to join white metal, I wouldn't advise it on an expensive ship kit, unless you've had a lot of practice. << There are very low temp solders TIX comes to mind. It is available from Micro Mart. It melts at a significantly lower temp than pewter and other "white metal" alloys. That said, you also need a temperature regulated soldering iron and the proper flux. That $15 special from Radio Schlock won't cut it!!! Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "graham and melanie" Subject: Re: Revell 1/72 S-Boat PE Set/Trumpeter 1/200 Sovremenny Replacement >> 26. Wheel and engine telegraphs for sad gits that want to detail inside of wheelhouse << Can`t you tell John is married to Caroline ;) the amount of times I have heard her say that :-p all the best graham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Dimi Apostolopoulos Subject: HMS Laforey - Spring 1942 Folks, Can anybody confirm some information on the small arms and radar of HMS Laforey in the winter-spring of 1942? One of my questions is whether she actually carried 6 or 4 Oerlikons at the time. Combining information from some references, a few photos and the NVTC #4 it appears that in 1942 she was fitted with at least 4 Oerlikons; 2 on the bridge sides and 2 on the midships searchlight platform area. The other 2 were supposed to be on the quarterdeck, but I have not found solid visual evidence on that. Also, is there any information on when the T291 was fitted? Thanks. Dimi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Daniel Bauer" Subject: Re: Prinz Eugen The Prinz Eugen also painted out it's Baltic Camo. There are some good B&W photos of her returning to Brest after Rhienubung. She had her false wakes on both bow and stern removed,the red turret tops were painted over. All her black and white stripes were also painted out. The dark gray on both bow and stern were retained.Her bow and stern crosses on deck were also beleived painted out. I don't have a photo to confirm the painting out of the crosses, but the aformentioned photos show the other. Her bow showed considerable paint wear due to the stern North Atlantic waves. Best Regards, Dan Bauer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: german navy >> Perhaps it's cruel to say it but given how seldom German warships of either war weighted anchor maybe deck wear and tear caused by the anchor chain wasn't an issue. << That is one of the more rediculos observations I have heard in a long time. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: prinz eugen >> I thought the stripe camo was only during the cruise with the Bismarck & the bismarck took hers off before exiting Norway, yet the prinz kept her's on, well that's what I thought << The stripe camo being discussed is the one in the Koop/Schmolke book, which appears to have been worn just after the Channel Dash, on the trip to Norway, not the black and white Baltic pattern that is most commonly used in images of the Prinz Eugen. You are right about the Baltic stripes being painted out. This is stated in the Prinz Eugen's log. The other stripe pattern appears to be one color only, possibly a very dark gray, same as that used on the false bow/stern areas. Just a little more confusion for 'yall, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:43:03 EST Subject: Re: Book Idea-Panay >> Maybe a book on PANAY is in the future, but I will make no promises. One thing that holds me back, is a question of how many books I could sell, to make the effort worthwhile, and it would be a major effort in both writing, getting permission to use photos, and drafting drawings. I have to ask myself how many ship modelers are really interested in the old Yangtze gunboats????? I assume Steve Wiper would agree with my negative approach to a PANAY book. << Art, I would say that your question is not a negative one, but more a realistic one. I like this sort of this as well, but people need to remember, when it comes to sales, its Battleships, Cruisers and Carriers. That's where the money's at. Give me a call sometime and we can discuss possibly publishing your work on the USS Panay. Thanks for your insights, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: New Jersey and Liberty book Hi Guys Just a couple of things I'd like to share. The New Jersey is in the local news. It seems that the ferry that runs for 9 months of a year between the NJ state Aquarium in Camden and Penn's Landing in Philly wants to move it's pier 4 blocks down to where the New Jersey is moored. The people in charge of the ship museum and Camden County officials are against it because it cost 4 million dollars to design the site and feel it blocks the view of the ship. I recently purchased a book called Ships for Victory: A History of Shipbuilding under the U.S. Maritime Commision in World War 2 by Frederic C.Lane. It's a reprint of a 1951 book. It covers in detail the story of the design, procedurement and construction of the Liberty, Victory, Escorts, Landing Craft, and Tankers. It's not a modeler reference but is a history written for laymen covering everything including Strikes by labor in World War 2. It costs about 40 bucks and it's ISBN 0-8018-6752-5. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: Re: Prinz Eugen The weird camo stripes and national emblems were painted over in Norway. See the translations of some segments of the War Diary of "Prinz Eugen" at the online archive, section 2.4.7. at www.kbismarck.com. Ulrich Rudofsky -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Eleanor Mazza" Subject: Marine Model Company and USS Trigger Lisa Ledgerwood and Tom Dougherty Marine Model Company was in business when I started making wooden boat models about 40 years ago. They were purchased by North River Models in New Jersey about 10 years ago, and I think Model Expo then bought them. I have been looking for an unbuilt model of the USS Trigger for some time. I think it was originally about $40.00. Tom: are you interested in selling yours? Matt Mazza -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Prinz Eugen & S-100 Books >> Now, to get to NEEDS and WANTS. I WANTED the Tamiya Prinz Eugen, so I bought it!!! Now I NEED your book!!!!! When will it be ready???? Also, my vote for an Arizona AOTS-type pub from you.... << John, You NEED to read and you NEED to remember all the post on this list (Yea, Right!!!). On more than one occasion I stated that the Prinz Eugen book will be out late summer '02, along with the book on the IJN Myoko class. P. S. For all those who are buying the great 1/72 S-100 kit form Revell Germany, you dont NEED to wait for a reference source. It is available in the form of Warship Pictorial #15 - Kriegsmarine Schnellboote. Lots of good photos, drawings and color illustrations. I have put coverage of most all of the different variants, but most of all, good coverage on the S-10 and S-100 types, which are now both available as kits in 1/72. You will find this book at most hobby shops and quite a few mail order book and hobby dealers. Many persons have contacted me, stating that they really did not have an interest in the subject, but upon seeing my book, bought it because of the diversity of the coverage contained within. They also liked the eight pages of color! Thanks, Steve Wiper www.classicwarships.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: Books Five new additions to our list of pre-owned books (all prices in Pounds): 675. SILVERSTONE, Paul H. U.S. Warships of World War II, Ian Allan, 1968, H/b, no d/j, 442pp, index, 379 photos of all classes including lots of camouflage, complete list of ships by class, including U.S. Coast Guard, standard USN nomenclature, complete list of war losses. GOOD, 35.00 676. PARGETER, C.J. ŒHipperı Class Heavy Cruisers, Ian Allan, 1982, 1st edition, s/b, 80pp, text covers historical background, design and construction, and a ship-by-ship history, plus ship-by-ship camouflage, with 82 photos, 9 camouflage profiles, 23 line drawings, 8 maps, shipsı crests. Corners bent, slight crease in front cover, else GOOD. Quite rare, not a title weıve seen before, 50.00 677. Warship, Volume VII, Conway, 1983, H/b, 288pp, includes Kindell, Donald L., "Northern Patrol, Part 2"; Chesneau, Roger, "Warship Wings No. 4: Fairey Flycatcher"; Jaskula, Andrzej M., "Askold, Parts 1,2"; Brown, D.K., RCNC, "The Development of the British Escort Carrier"; Adams, Thomas A., "The M Class Submarine Monitors"; Lengerer, Hans, "The Japanese Super Battleship Strategy, Parts 1,2,3"; Campbell, N.J.M., "British Naval Guns 1880-1945, Nos. 8,9,10,11"; Lautenschlager, Karl, "A Majestic Revolution, Parts 1,2"; Preston, Antony, "The Naval Rarden Gun"; Allen, Francis J., "The US Monitors, Parts 1,2"; Hervieux, Pierre, "German Torpedo Boats at War: The Möwe & Wolf Classes, Parts 1, 2"; Allen, Francis J., "Warship Pictorial: Surcouf under refit"; Chesneau, Roger, "Warship Wings No. 5: Hawker Sea Hurricane"; Maber, John M., "HMS Campania 1914-1918"; "Warship Details No. 3: Type VII U-Boat"; Compton-Hall, Richard, "HMS Submarine Torpedo Boat No. 1"; Gillett, Ross, "The Story of HMS Protector"; "Lyon, D.J., "Torpedo Warfare: A Successful Prediction"; Maber, John M., "The Steam Submarine Swordfish"; Whitley, M.J., "lesser Known Warships of the Kriegsmarine: The Type 43 Minesweepers, Parts 1,2"; Burt, R.A., "The Majestic Pre Dreadnought, Parts 1,2"; Chesneau, Roger, "Warship Wings No. 6: Grumman F14 Tomcat"; Allen, Francis J., "Warship Pictorial: Americaıs First Submarines, Parts 1,2"; Sieche, Erwin F., "German Naval Radar Detectors"; Preston, Antony, "The US Navyıs Mk 45 Gun"; Smigielski, Adam, "A Scout for the Imperial Navy"; Brown, David, RCNC, "Attack and Defence No. 4: Action Damage to British Warships in the Second World War, Parts 1,2"; Lyon, D.J., "Some Thornycroft Designs"; Kirby, S., "USS Keokuk"; Chesneau, Roger, "Warship Wings No. 7, Blackburn Firebrand"; Roberts, John, "The Final Action: The sinking of Bismarck, 27 May 1941". Normal wear on d/j, else EXCELLENT, 35.00. 678. CLARKE, Barry, Jurgen Fielitz, & Malcolm Touchin. Coastal Forces, Brasseyıs, 1994,1st edition, H/b, no d/j, 162pp, bibliography, index, glossary. This is Volume 10 in Brasseyıs Sea Power: Naval Vessels, Weapons Systems and Technology Series, and presents a thorough look at the role and use of modern coastal forces worldwide, with 78 photos of ships and their systems, many plan & profile line drawings, plus maps and diagrams. MINT, 8.00 679. United States Navy Camouflage Schemes 1943-45, The Floating Drydock, n.d., s/b comb-bound, no text, just 86 pages of official USN camouflage design sheets. Camouflage schemes covered include: Measure 32/7D for FLETCHER class; Measure 32/24D for FLETCHER class; Measure 32/3D for FLETCHER class; Measure 32/21D for DE 5 ­ 50 class; Measure 33a/28D for GEARING class; Measure 32/9D for GEARING class; Measure 32/3D for SUMNER class; Measure 31/25D for SUMNER class; Measure 32/22D for DE 339 class; Measure 32/11D for DE 51 class; Measure 32/23D for DE 51 class; Measure 31/24D for DE 51 class; Measure 32/17A for ESSEX class; Measure 3-/3A for ESSEX class (depending on colors used, could be either Measure 31 or 32); Mesure 33/10A for ESSEX class; Measure 32/22D for MISSOURI; Measure 32/17A #2 for ESSEX class; Measure 32/6/10D for ESSEX class; Measure 3_/6A for ESSEX class; Measure 33/1A for RANGER; Measure 33/4AB for ENTERPRISE; Measure 32/11A for SARATOGA; Measure 3_/8A for INDEPENDENCE class; Measure 33/3D for INDEPENDENCE class; Measure 33/7A for INDEPENDENCE class; Measure 31a/24D & Measure 33/24D for SAN DIEGO and RENO; Measure 33/22D for FLINT and SAN JUAN; Measure 32/19A for BEARN; Measure 32/9P for 100ı subchasers; Measure 31/3D for ERIE class; Measure 32/16D for PG 1 ­ 102 class gunboats; Measure 32A/18P for PC 578 class; Measure 32/7D for DMS 9 class 4-pipers; Measure 32/1M for AM 55 class minesweepers; Measure 32A/29D for DMS 19 class destroyer-minesweepers; Measure 33/24D for CL-55 class light cruisers; Measure 32/11A for CL-55 class light cruisers; Measure 31/15L for LSV-1 class (greens); Measure 31/20L for LCT 1 ­ 500 class (greens); Measure 32/7P for PT boats (greens); Measure 31/7P for PT boats (greens); Measure 31/5P for PT boats (greens); Measure 31/20-L for AN 78 ­ 92 class net tenders (greens); Measure 31/9Ax for IX-110 class auxiliaries (greens); Measure 31a/18Ax for AGC-4 class command ships; Measure 32/2Ax for AVP-10 class seaplane tenders; Measure 32/5D for AVP-10 class seaplane tenders; Measure 32/4AO for AO-2 class oilers; Measure 32/10AO for AO-22 class oilers; Measure 32/5AO for AO-22 class oilers; Measure 32/7AO for AO-22 to 32 and 51 to 64 class oilers; Measure 31/6D for DD-348 class destroyers; Measure 32/3D for PORTER class; Measure 32/3D for SELFRIDGE class; Measure 32/22D for SELFRIDGE class; Measure 31/9D for DD-380 class; Measure 31/11D for DD-398 class; Measure 32/1D for DD-409 class; Measure 32/3D for DD-409 class; Measure 31/6D for DD-421 class; Measure 32/22D for DD-421 class; Measure 32/6D for DE-51 class; Measure 32/24D for DE-51 class; Measure 32/11A for SUMNER class; Measure 33/2F for OMAHA class; Measure 33/6D for CL-55 class light cruisers; Measure 31a/10C for CL-55 class light cruisers; Measure 32/7C for ALASKA; Measure 32/14D for SALT LAKE CITY class; Measure 33/13D for SAN FRANCISCO; Measure 33/12L for LCT(6) class (greens); Measure 33/14L for LCS(L) class (greens); Measure 31/17L for LSM-1 class (greens). You want to get your camouflage scheme right, youıll want this book. MINT, 50.00 Cheers, John Snyder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume