Subject: SMML VOL 1605 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:03:32 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Wheel House Interiors & Sad Gits 2: Re: Coalition Carriers 3: Re: PT boats 4: Re: Mikasa colour schemes 5: Italian ships 6: 1/72 scale torpedo boats 7: Re: Why a ship is called she 8: Re: Why is a ship called "she" 9: Re: Wheelhouse interiors 10: Re: Colour reproductions in publishing 11: Re: Colour reproductions in publishing 12: Re: Lucy Lawless 13: Re: Color Photos 14: Re: Sea Chaparral (was Taiwanese Navy) 15: Re: Fletcher and Sumner hull numbers 16: Re: Mikasa Colors 17: Re: USS Fiske 18: Re: 1:48 PT Boats, Anyone? 1:72? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New Kits from WSW/B-Resina 2: Sovremenny Turrets 3: Re: PT Boats and S 38 type 4: Re: S-100 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Subject: Wheel House Interiors & Sad Gits >> Sad gits will also require the VHF radio, the clock, and the flare pistol on the bulkhead behind the helmsman. Etched armored covers for the bridge windows could be posed open for the sad git's viewing enjoyment of the interior, using the sad git's other indespensable accessory item: the 1/1 scale penlight. << I have taken you up on your suggestion Dave. The clock has relief etched numbers and seperate hands so that you can set the time to what you want. I have just about finished work on the images folks so you will not have to wait too much longer. Sorry for the delay, but one or two family duties took up a bit more time than I had hoped for. All the best Peter Hall WEM Feeling very sad. Oh! dear dear!!!!!:-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Dave Shirlaw Subject: Re: Coalition Carriers Excellent photo opportunity for five carriers at sea! Theodore Roosevelt will be home on the 27th, Illustrious on the 25th. Garibaldi has already returned to Italy. Dave Shirlaw Editor, Seawaves Magazine www.seawaves.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: david_l._miller@ccmail.wiu.edu Subject: Re: PT boats Having played around a bit with resin casting, I can really appreciate the cautions from John Snyder re; casting a 1/72 solid resin hull for a PT boat. One possibility would be to make a multi-media kit with a built up wooden hull. I think a good plank on bulkhead hull could be made for PT boats. Their flatter bottoms, slab sides, and flat transoms would be a relatively easy build. Some filler/sealer on bass wood would give a very smooth finish to the hull. The deck, superstructure, engines, vents, and other hardware could be resin, photoetch, injection molded plastic or white metal. Monogram produced a line of wood and injection molded plastic aircraft kits in the 1950s. The fuselage, wings, tail were built up wood, not stick and tissue. The props, engines, cowlings, wheels, landing gear, canopies, and nacelles were plastic. They were a joy! I made a B-17, a Mitchell bomber, a Douglas X-plane, and an F-86-D from these kits. Regards, Dave Miller Macomb, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Mikasa colour schemes Falk Pletscher wrote a very comprehensive article about detailing and painting Seals Models's "Mikasa" in Plastic Ship Modeller (can't remember the issue) you will be hard press to find a better reference than that. AFAIK it should be possible to get back issues of PSM but if not cantact Falk and I am sure he will be abble to help you. The only addition to Falk's article which I would like to make is that since "Mikasa" was connected to the Yokosuka naval yard than according to "IJ Naval Vessel's Colour" chart the closes match will be C-32 (Warship gray) from Mr.Colour range of Grunze Sangyo. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Bonini S.r.l." Subject: Italian ships Hi all, For everybody interested in the modern Italian Navy and in the Regia Marina - I discovered a very interesting website, with many photos of the post-war Italian Navy and, more interesting, a lot of rather unknown pictures of ships of the Regia Marina : www.marinai.it Greetings from Italy, Giusto Gallas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: JKrakow@aol.com Subject: 1/72 scale torpedo boats I also think 1/72nd scale would be a nice format for additional PT and MGB kits! I'd buy a kit of one of those pontoon shaped Soviet Navy boats which launched torpedoes off the stern using a compressed air piston. There was a Katusha rocket launching version, too. I collected enough documentation to scratch build one, but haven't gotten any further yet. I would also like to see a model of one of the Victorian "PT" boats, some of which were designed to be launched from larger warships, and were carried on davits or in special bays. Somehwere I have some nice drawings of a pre-dreadnought Imperial German PT boat, I'll put on my website when time permits. Dave Krakow www.PrinzEugen.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: Why a ship is called she Rusty White sagely pointed out, "Apparently they have never met Lucy Lawless." The USS Xena would be great. Why not name a warship after Xena, Warrior Princess? After all, the US will soon have a carrier, USS Ronald Reagan, named after a fictional president. Ken Goldman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Ernst-Bernhard Kayser Subject: Re: Why is a ship called "she" Bill wrote: >> Let me quote a passage from a book in my library... "As Adjutant, your main job will be to prepare records and reports, supervise correspondence, and carry out whatever orders I might issue." After a short pause, Lindemann added: "One more thing. In the future, I would prefer to hear people on board use the masculine form when speaking of the Bismark. So powerful a ship as this could only be a he, not a she." I resolved to accede to his wish and, although I have had a few slips of the tongue, have done so ever since". There is a footnote at the end of the page which reads... "Out of respect for the one and only commanding officer of the Bismark, this rule has also been followed in the German edition of this book".... Obviously, the above implies that the normal form of address for a German warship was in fact in the feminine as you quite correctly state, and not in the masculine as reported earlier on the list. However, there was clearly an exception. << Dear Bill, thanks for the bizzare quote. I stand corrected. It seems to be a recurrent thing: As soon as I publicly state that some rule is actually an eternal law, some information will pop up to proof me wrong. Will I ever learn to hold my tounge? Bernhard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Wheelhouse interiors If you are going to "do" the interior of a wheelhouse, plan ahead. My 1:48 model of a WW 1 Sub Chaser is now encased (68 years after I started it). One thing that slowed me was detailing the wheelhouse, with wheel, binnacle, chart table, chart cabinet, three engine room telegraph stands, deck hatch, various cabinets etc. I left the overhead (ceiling) loose so it could be easily lifted to allow viewing of all the goodies. But when the four mast stays were installed, the wheelhouse roof became "entrapped" such that although the roof unit (containing flying bridge apparatus such as railing, polaris, searchlight, plotting arrow, etc.) is indeed loose, it cannot be lifted more than an eighth of an inch!!! Bummer! Also, the sills of the lights (glass windows) are almost shoulder high (in scale), so even trying to peer in using a pen-light reveals little or nothing, even if one gets past the reflections in the glazing. Double Bummer!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh well, at least I know that the wheelhouse is detailed. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Colour reproductions in publishing >> Thanks and I do apologize for causing you to spend the time and effort to put up a rebuttal to a "criticism" I had never intended. << Kelvin, I too owe you an apology. I regret jumping the gun, so to speak, and do sincerely apologize for my treatment. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Colour reproductions in publishing >> Then there was (is?) that scheme to colourize old Hollywood B+W movies that had many purists up in arms. << This is a subject that I wish to address. I have and will continue to colorize black and white photographs in many(all?) of my publications because they do add that color visual that helps people to relate to the subject at hand, in color. I will also state that each colorized image has been so treated, so as not to purposefully mislead anyone. I am not, and never will try to alter history to suit my own beliefs (ego). I do this because I think it looks good and I like it. To those who disagree with this I say, "Note that I am not trying to mislead by stating that the image is colorized". Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "graham and melanie" Subject: Re: Lucy Lawless Oh I dream of those Thighs ;-p -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Color Photos >> Looking at the color photos in Steve Wiper's ... Schnellboote One can't help but imagine the excitement felt by their first viewers, "Hans, It doesn't get any better than this!" Here was a new art form when beautiful ships were deservedly still called "she". It leaves something to the imagination and isn't that what modeling is all about? Thanks, Steve, for fine book. << This is the kind of enjoyment I hoped to give one who would view my publications. Your are most welcome and thanks for your purchase, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: Re: Sea Chaparral (was Taiwanese Navy) Hi Guys Concerning the Sea Chaparral system was a Anti Aircraft Missile designed to put on WW2 era built Sumner/Gearing class destroyers. The need for became apparent when the Destroyer Higbee DD-806 in 1972 was bombed and hit by NVAF Mig. This caused serious interset for a missile system for the Sumner /Gearing class. So 9 destroyers of the Gearing class that were on the gun line off recieved the Sea Chaparral. They were the Gurke DD-783, Henderson DD-785, Anderson DD-786, Mackenzie DD-836,Bausell DD-845, Mason DD-852, Tucker DD-875, Parks DD-884,and Orleck DD-886. They were tempoary measure all were installed in 1972 and removed in 1973-4. I have two books US Naval Weaponsby Norman Friedman and Sumner-Gearing class by Robert Sumall. Drop me a line I don't have a scanner but I could photocopy pics of it and mail them to you. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: Re: Fletcher and Sumner hull numbers Hi Guys Concerning the discussion on hull numbers on the turret roofs of Fletcher and Sumner class destroyers. I read Snowski USN Camouflage of WW2 by the Floating Drydock and has nothing on it. Yet the same book has a picture on page 24 with it. Going thru my books Getting the impression that this was done in 1944 to either ships painted in Measure 21 or 31. They looked white and found these pictures of the Fletcher class DD's Dashiell DD-659, McDermut DD-677,and the following Sumner class DD's Sumner DD-692, Waldron DD-699, Hank DD-702, and Soley DD-707. Perhaps the Navy issued a memo on it instead of being in the camouflage books that were issued. Just as easily canceled it with a memo. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Mikasa Colors >> I have the SealsModels 1/700 scale Mikasa kit and I'm looking for some color scheme information (including deck color). The instructions and box information is all in Japanese, so that's no help to me and there's not even a color profile on the box (a la Skywave and some of the waterline kits). If anyone could give me some ideas about the color schemes she carried during her career, or better yet, suggest any references which would give me more information about the ship I would be most appreciative.<< A color illustration in "Armored Ships" by Ian Marshall shows Mikasa being delivered in 1902, with a black hull, white superstructure, black stacks with three white bands, black mainmast, and buff foremast. He states that the ship was painted overall grey in 1904. I just built this kit, and went on the premise that the Imperial Japanese Navy would be a conservative organization. Thus, I used the WW2 IJN color samples from Snyder and Short (assuming they'd been the standard for many years beforehand). I found a very pleasing match to the various naval arsenal slate greys to be Testor Model Master #4614, German Uniform Feldgrau. For the decks I used Tamiya Deck Tan. MWL Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Mark W. McKellar" Subject: USS Fiske Hi folks, I'm considering doing a diaroma of the USS Fiske DE-143 but I'll need a full hull to do so. I'd like to recreate a dramatic photo of the Fiske with her back broken and bow section laying on it's side while the stern section is still right side up. http://users.erols.com/plhuggins/143.html I'm flexible on scale but not on cost. Plastic fits my budget better than resin (unless any resin molders has some damaged, inferior etc kits laying around). Any suggestions on what kit I can start with? Mark McKellar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: 1:48 PT Boats, Anyone? 1:72? Go for it ...... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: rms Subject: New Kits from WSW/B-Resina Please check out our web site for great prices on all WSW and B-Resina 1/700 resin ship kits and accessories: www.wic.net/~rms/ In addition to the kits listed, the following new kits are also now available: WSW 700-19; Potemkin, Russian battleship, 1905 $49.00 BR 719; HMS Vanguard, battleship, 1946 $65.00 I will fax a purchase order to WSW in Germany on Monday, 1 April 2002. Questions/orders? Please contact me off list: rms@wic.net Thanks and have a great weekend! Lisa D. Norman Rocky Mountain Shipyard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: Sovremenny Turrets We now have a price for WEM Pro 2001, 1/200 Replacement Turrets for the Trumpeter Sovremenny: 11.08 Pounds (ex-VAT) for a set of two turrets and four barrels. If you missed it before, have a look at Peter Hall's master: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/pro2001.jpg Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:58:01 EST Subject: Re: PT Boats and S 38 type >> I know the ink is barely dry on their boxes, but, in opening that beautiful S 100 kit, I could not help but wonder if someone would eventually produce a resin/brass kit to convert it to an S 38 type? << I cannot say at this time if I would do such a conversion, but I am about to start construction on my own casting shop on my property, so who knows???. I will however, soon release a set of replacement propellers for the S-100 kit. The kit ones are really bad. I am confused as to how Revell Germany could do such a nice job on the kit and manage to really screw up the propellers. They are not just a little wrong, they are TOTALLY WRONG!!! I will announce when I do this, very soon. Thanks, Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: S-100 Hello All. If you'd like to have a good reference for the S-100 Class Schnellboote that has alot of good photographs, many unpublished-to-date photos of the boats as well as good technical data on the boats ... wait until you see my S-BOATS IN ACTION book from Squadron/Signal (which is now in the layout phase), ... I can safely say you WILL NOT be disappointed with my effort. Cheers, T. Garth Connelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume