Subject: SMML VOL 1606 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 04:28:14 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: S-Boat book 2: Re: Brass PE for S-100 3: Re: PT boats 4: Re: PT Boats 5: Scale Schnellboot Wheelhouses 6: Re: USS Fiske 7: 1/20 scale PT Boats 8: computer added color 9: computer enhanced photos 10: Cuttin' and pastin' Body parts 11: Clasic Warship Order 12: RMS Aquitania 13: Re: Modern Russian Gray 14: Re: 1:48 PT Boats, Anyone? 1:72? 15: Interesting items on eBay 16: Half a ship model? 17: Re: Why a ship is called she -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: WWII German DD photo CD available -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: Re: S-Boat book Hello Again All: I just wanted to add that David Krakow and www.PrinzEugen.com were an invaluable aid to me in the finishing of my book. Cheers, T.Garth Connelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Brass PE for S-100 John/Caroline: Whew, that list of parts sure does explain the price (I think I've heard the figure is in the neighborhood of $50). What I would like to suggest is that you split the fret in two. One fret would be $25 and would include the larger parts. The second fret would be price the same and include smaller parts or those that would be used to detail the inside of wheel houses. ;) Just a thought. Of course, y'all know more about marketing and retailing than I do. Marc Flake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: PT boats >> Having played around a bit with resin casting, I can really appreciate the cautions from John Snyder re; casting a 1/72 solid resin hull for a PT boat. One possibility would be to make a multi-media kit with a built up wooden hull. I think a good plank on bulkhead hull could be made for PT boats. Their flatter bottoms, slab sides, and flat transoms would be a relatively easy build. Some filler/sealer on bass wood would give a very smooth finish to the hull. The deck, superstructure, engines, vents, and other hardware could be resin, photoetch, injection molded plastic or white metal. << POF or POB hulls are a pain, and of little advantage for something like a PTY boat where the planking would not show up. This might be a place for a vac molded hull, or a hollow resin hull with reinforcement, or even a fiberglass hull. Also bear in mind that a PT hull has concave curves on cross section, and may be some what tricky to plank. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: PT Boats Bill: I'd cast my vote for the 1/72 size. There's already a handfull of these in injection. Resin would be too expensive. I'd suggest vacuforming the hull and deck--maybe even the deck house--with resin, brass and/or white metal fittings. I'll buy a Higgins for sure. Marc Flake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: JKrakow@aol.com Subject: Scale Schnellboot Wheelhouses >> I have taken you up on your suggestion Dave. The clock has relief etched numbers and seperate hands so that you can set the time to what you want. << Peter, I am thrilled by the bulkhead clock for the wheelhouse! However because I am a bonafide sad git, I am compelled to point out that no matter what time I set, it will only be accurate twice a day. :-) But 1/72 and 1/700 scale wheelhouses are simple compared to the 1/1 scale work needed on the S-97. She was stripped of her armored bridge in the 60s. Now it will all have to be rebuilt from salvaged and new-made parts. Take a look: http://www.prinzeugen.com/S97.htm Its as bad as a Lindberg kit. Cheers Dave Krakow www.PrinzEugen.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Nick Heinbaugh Subject: Re: USS Fiske I'd suggest using a Revell Buckley class DE kit to start. You would need to make a minor modification to the funnel to get from Buckley class to Edsall class, and possibly some small AA armament variations to represent Fiske. Rick Heinbaugh Seattle, WA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: 1/20 scale PT Boats For folks who are interested in the 1/48 scale PT's, but want something bigger, try the 1/20 scale offerings from Mosquito Boat Hobbies. He offers full kits for both Elco and Higgins boats. The Elco is based on the Dumas kit, but he includes instructions on how to correct two problems with the Dumas hull to achieve a more accurate product. Mosquito Boat Hobbies is owned by a friend of mine, Frank DiMeglio, a heck of a nice guy. http://www.mosquitoboathobbies.com Kurt SeaPhoto Maritime Photography www.warshipphotos.com Order via our online catalog...now taking credit cards via Paypal Warship Models Underway www.warshipmodelsunderway.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: ZMzimmerman@cs.com Subject: computer added color I see nothing wrong with using computers to add color to black and white photos, since I am sure no color photos are available for the vast majority of historic ships and color schemes. Check out color plates in Naval Camouflage 1914-1945 from the Naval Institute. It has a great colorized shot of RMS Olympic as a troopship with a wild scheme of cream, two shades of blue, black and red brown. Of course stating that it is computer generated and not original. Michael Zimmerman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: ZMzimmerman@cs.com Subject: computer enhanced photos A few things not covered in the thread on enhanced photos is that the images from the intel agencies are coming from a two hundred million dollar KH-13 and run several million dollars worth of enhancement software and hardware. Not a box brownie camera made in 1938. Plus that kind of software is not affordably available to the general public. Now maybe some of these agencies need images to train new technicians with the publishers could work out a deal. One can hope. Michael Zimmerman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Cuttin' and pastin' Body parts >> A friend is wondering about suitable US Naval figures in 1:35 without too much converting. << You can modify the old Tamiya Famous generals figures. Ike's trousers are especially useful because they're not tucked into the boots as is usually the case. A little modifying into various poses and you could make up a crew mixing and matching parts. Oficers could use the trousers as-is and the sailors would need more flared legs and a little sanding around the upper leg area. My "Dr. Victor Frankenstein" box has all kinds of 1/35 body parts just waiting for their induction into the small boat navy. The arms, legs, torsos, etc. taken from the figures in various tank and soft-skin vehicle kits will provide the makings for a good crew. The first crew will serve on a WWII 110' subchaser replica. Go forth and graft, Victor "Frankenstein" Baca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "George Frey" Subject: Clasic Warship Order does anyone know how long it takes to get an order from Clasic Warships. I sent an e-mail to Thier site, but then I lost aol so I don't know if they responded or not. Mr Wiper if you did respond thank you, however i never recived it, cause my e-mail changed. Please send response to iaafru2@surfside.net Thank You George Frey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: ZMzimmerman@cs.com Subject: RMS Aquitania I know Plastic Ship Modeler ran an article on the Aquitania or Mauretania and her W.W.I dazzle scheme does anyone know any of the particulars on this scheme. My scant references indicate these large ship schemes were one offs for each ship. And I am going nuts trying to find this issue of Plastic Ship Modeler. Actually any information on the big liner dazzle schemes would be appreciated. I have been waiting years to do by Airfix 1/600 Mauritania in a dazzle scheme. Thanks in advance, Michael Zimmerman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Modern Russian Gray Finally, I'm going to begin construction on my 1/600 scale Airfix Moskva. Now I will see just how good Peter Hall's detail set makes this oldie but goodie look. I have never built a modern era Russian warship. It appears as though the gray used on the hull and superstructure compares very close to US warships. Am I wrong here? Rusty "Gotta have somethin to take to VA Beach" White 2003 IPMS/USA National Convention Chairman OKC IN 2003! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Edd Pflum Subject: Re: 1:48 PT Boats, Anyone? 1:72? Bill Gruner wrote: >> I have thought for a long time that a series of 1:48 scale US Navy PT Boats of very high quality might be popular. These would probably be in resin, or a combination of resin and vacuform hull, or resin/glas layup hull. Since the ELCO 80-footer has been done by Bluejacket, I would think the 77' ELCO, and 78' Higgins boats would be popular in different versions. Maybe even a subchaser. << I recently noticed MicroGlass (www.microglass.net) offers a fiberglass 80' ELCO hull in 1:48 as a replacement for the Bluejacket kit. I've haven't seen the product, but if it's MicroGlass' usual quality, it's excellent. I have long thought 1:48 (about 20" overall) was a good size for models of these small craft With modern micro R/C and E-Flight accessories, it should be possible to obtain scale performance in this size. I recall SuperScaleShips (sadly long gone) had a 173' PC hull in this scale, as well as an escort carrier! I've always had a soft spot for the 77 footers that fought the good fight early in the war ("They were expendable"). I also like the 110' SC, and had a Dynamic 1:32 hull, deck, deckhouse set for a while, but the project was too big. 1:48 or 1:72 would be better. For the record, MicroGlass has 1:32 hulls for all three PT's, the WW1 and WW2 110' subchasers and a bunch of other neat stuff. Their website says they will undertake making hulls from your master, or do an entire project (hull and master) for an additional fee. They also have a 1:96 173' PC hull. Edd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: paulship37@aol.com Subject: Interesting items on eBay I saw these items for sale at eBay Heroes of British Merchant Navy by Gribble Bk http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1086373166 The Royal navy In Focus 1960 - 69 Book http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1526146904 NAVY CIVIL WAR Foltz Doctor Maritime 1ST OLD http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1526094913 USS Dextrous, WWII Korea navy minesweeper http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1526069515 FIGHTING SHIPS OF AUSTRALIA, NZ & OCEANIA http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1525038626 NINE VANGUARDS by Peter Kemp (1951) HC http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1525621281 THE ROYAL NAVY IN OLD PHOTOGRAPHS-Trotter,'75 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1525212459 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: Half a ship model? For the second year, I am building a model to donate for the local school's parents group fund raiser silent auction. Last year I built a Revell Titanic (OOB), mounted on a nice Cherry base, and it sold for over $50, IIRC. This year, I'm building a Revell USS Massachusetts. (We live in Mass, and many folks have been there for field trips, scout sleepovers, etc.) Anyways, while working on the model last night, I started thinking about what I could do for next year's auction. I was thinking that a wall plaque, with half a ship model might be kind of neat. I'm thinking I could build half of the Revell Titanic, for example, and mount it on a nice plaque. The only major surgery required would be to accurately cut all the decks down the centerline. Has anyone tried this before? Any comments/lessons learned/ advice? (I know that Revell sold a wall plaque version of the US Constitution for a brief period in the 70s, IIRC. I don't remember them being in stores for long....) Any other ideas for unique display/gifts using models? TIA! Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "John Sutherland" Subject: Re: Why a ship is called she Rusty White sagely pointed out, "Apparently they have never met Lucy Lawless." Ken Goldman commented: >> The USS Xena would be great. Why not name a warship after Xena, Warrior Princess? After all, the US will soon have a carrier, USS Ronald Reagan, named after a fictional president. << Or even USS Lucy Lawless?? Probably need Lucy's agreement. Sorry guys, it's not likely. You see - Lucy's not a Yank, so HANDS OFF! She's actually a born and bred KIWI and proud of it. We breed them tough down here. Then again, the RNZN is busy sorting out a replacement for the Canterbury - may be a HMNZS Xena or HMNZS Lucy Lawless? John Sutherland Wellington New Zealand -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: WWII German DD photo CD available Hello Everyone, I am testing a new product, a photo CD with 72 high resolution photos of the German Torpedo Boat T-35, and destroyer Z-39. These were allocated to the US after the war, and extensively photographed in the states. I got these photos from the archives years ago, and only recently scanned the 8 X 10's into my computer at 600 DPI, resulting in large clear images suitable for printing or viewing on your monitor. There are 36 photos of the T-35 and the 36 of the Z-39, 72 in all. These shots include overall views, drydock shots, and the kind of details modelers love.If you purchase copies of these photos from the archives, you are looking at $ 21.00 plus shipping for each one. The cost for this disk is $ 9.99, plus $ 2 shipping and handling in the US, $ 3 overseas. I am hoping this is reasonable enough to discourage copying.To order, or for more information, please see my website at: http://wmunderway.8m.com/seaphoto/catalog/index.html#germandd Cordially, Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography www.warshipphotos.com Order via our online catalog...now taking credit cards via Paypal Warship Models Underway www.warshipmodelsunderway.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume