Subject: SMML VOL 1620 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:23:16 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: mystery ship 2: Re: Scrieve boards 3: Re: What is Heller HMS Hood like? 4: Re: Scrieve Board 5: Re: Scrieve boards 6: Trumpeter "Courageus" former Soviet destroyer 7: Heller HMS Hood 8: News 9: Re: Scrieve boards 10: Scrieve boards 11: Classic Warships 12: Making fun of me 13: Shipyards Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Hans Christensen" Subject: Re: mystery ship Hi I have another suggestion for the ship in the picture Peru had two cruisers Almirante Grau and Coronel Bolognesi There was minor differences between them as one of them had a poop deck aft. I found a page with a picture on this address: http://www.marina.mil.pe/resena/resena.html regards Hans Christensen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: Scrieve boards >> Can anyone tell me what scrieve boards are? << From: Wood: A Manual for its Use as a Shipbuilding Material, p. 353 - A scrive board is "...a horizontal platform on which the frame lines are raised; it is equipped with slotted guides to position the members of the body plan to the mold loft. The members are laid on the scrive board to coincide with the proper outline, and adjoining edges of each member are recut as necessary so that the sections are in proper (alinement)..." A photo of a scrive board for what appears to be an 80' ELCO PT is on p. 355. In simpler terms, it is a flat surface upon which the outlines of all the frames for a given boat are drawn full-size. The outlines are used to refine (fair) the shape of the rough-sawn frame pieces which are recut and assembled off the board. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Mike Bartel Subject: Re: What is Heller HMS Hood like? >> Could anyone out there please pass on any feedback on the accuracy of the Heller 1/400 HMS Hood. << Much will need to be done on this kit to make it accurate, but at least they did their homework on the hull. It will require minimal work, but new superstructures will have to be built, details made and added, and the nidships section totally rebuilt. When I did mine, it took about eight months of on and off work. Still, it's better than the Lindberg kit, but if you want to build it fron the box and you expect an accurate kit, that's not saying much. Mike Bartel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: Scrieve Board "A large board made of soft, clear, planed lumber, sometimes a section of the mold loft floor, on which a full-sized body plan of a ship is drawn. The lines were formerly cut in by the use of a scriving knife, which made a small U-shaped groove, to prevent them from being obliterated. Pencil lines have taken the place of cutting to a large extent. It is used in making templates of frames, beams, floors, etc., and in taking off dimensions. It is sanded smooth after it has served its purpose." It looks to me like scrieve has the same Latin root as other words related to writing, such as scrivener, scribe, even scribble. Ken Goldman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Richard Prescott Talk21" Subject: Re: Scrieve boards Hi Michael From Navy Department Dictionary SCRIEVE BOARD A large board made of soft, clear, planed lumber, sometimes a section of the mold loft floor, on which a full-sized body plan of a ship is drawn. The lines were formerly cut in by the use of a scriving knife, which made a small U-shaped groove, to prevent them from being obliterated. Pencil lines have taken the place of cutting to a large extent. It is used in making templates of frames, beams, floors, etc., and in taking off dimensions. It is sanded smooth after it has served its purpose. Regards Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "=?utf-8?Q?enrico=5Fvilla@libero.it?=" Subject: Trumpeter "Courageus" former Soviet destroyer Hi everybody, has anybody of you build this kit? In particular I'm interested in the overall quality (I've heard it's pretty good) and whether it represents the WW2 ship or a later version: I'm asking this because I would like to build the WW2 soviet destroyer and I'd like to know how much modifying work would be required. Thank you very much and happy Easter! Enrico -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: Heller HMS Hood Hi Simon, >> Could anyone out there please pass on any feedback on the accuracy of the Heller 1/400 HMS Hood. Cheers and happy/merry/inebriated Easter... it is not for you understand, it is for a friend!!!!!! << I am currently building a dio featuring this model as I speak! Quite a departure for me but it's commission from an RN Commander whose wife bought him this model years ago and want to know when its going to appear on his cabin shelf! Regarding the kit's accuracy, I doubt whether the master builder(s) at Heller have even heard of the word!!! The Tamiya 1:700 kit is far more detail and is far more accurate than this monstrosity. I cannot believe that the master builder did not realise/see photos/understand/or even research this famous ship. It is so bad that the main deck house does not even come near flush with the side of the hull on each side. This leaves an annoying amount of wooden deck on either side!!! Supersructure round each funnel is missing or wrong.....the boatrs are a cop out. If the WEM 1:350 Hood is one end of the spectrum then the Heller Hood is firmly at the other. In short...don't touch it with a barge pole........ On second thoughts buy one and send it to Keith Buckley...he's going to need a challenge to keep him busy filling those long Canadian nights now his PC has died. ...am I being a bit harsh here Shane....? Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo kupu kaore e taea te karo (Te reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: News Hi Guys I have some news to share .First on page 86 of May 2002 Fine Scale Modeler is article on the USS Boxer CV-21 and with it is announcement that ICM USS Essex is due in Decmber. Squadron's latest monthly issue has for ships a book #4016 US Light Carriers in Action-The Independence class. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Re: Scrieve boards Michael: Scrieve boards are explained and illustrated at: http://www.wmitchell68.fsnet.co.uk/Page10.htm Kevin W. Woodruff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Kevin W. Woodruff" Subject: Scrieve boards Michael: Scrieve boards are large board made of soft, clear, planed lumber, sometimes a section of the mold loft floor, on which a full-sized body plan of a ship is drawn. The lines were formerly cut in by the use of a scriving knife, which made a small U-shaped groove, to prevent them from being obliterated. Pencil lines have taken the place of cutting to a large extent. It is used in making templates of frames, beams, floors, etc., and in taking off dimensions. It is sanded smooth after it has served its purpose. Scrieve boards are explained and illustrated at: http://www.wmitchell68.fsnet.co.uk/Page10.htm Kevin W. Woodruff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "George Frey" Subject: Classic Warships Does anyone know if Clasic Warships is still around or in business, I wrote to them twice now about my order and have recived NO reply. What Gives?!!!!! Hi George, Yes Classic warships is still in business. However, your recent change of email address may have something to do with the non reply as well. I'm sure Steve will be in touch with you soon. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Keith Butterley" Subject: Making fun of me Hi Steve, >> Would hitting yourself with a ball peen hammer hurt less? Dogs and Models in the same car? Lets see now. Wife, two kids, dog and about twenty-two ship models,all packed in the car, ready to go. No wait, let me guess, a Yugo, right???I bet your regretted that new diet of Broccoli, Cauliflower and Navy Beans!!! Everybody knows a Yogo wont travel fast enough to air out the interior. Oh yeah, the dog ate a dead rat the day before. Do I see a Danny DiVitto movie here? Staring Bean as Keith Butterly. If we can't make fun of you Keith, who could we make fun of? << Ah yes sympathy, right betwee sh*t and syphillis in the dictionary Keith Butterley http://www.warshipbooks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: Shipyards Models Hello all, I got in possesion of some very old plastic waterline kits of some sailing ships. The company's name is "Shipyard". They have at least Santa Maria, Golden Hind, Mayflower, Bon Homme Richard, Constitution, US Revenue Cutter, S.S. Savannah, The Flying Cloud, Chas. W. Morgan, Gertrude L. Theboud in their listings. These look like transitional kits from 50'ties with cream coloured, fantastically detailed hard plastic with no sprues. Also, printed ratlines on a clear plastic sheet and very colourful decals and instruction sheet are included. I have no idea what scale these kits are, but the Golden Hind is about 4" long. Are these kits common pieces or some rarities? Best Regards Sami Arim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume