Subject: SMML VOL 1628 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:10:54 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: hobby shops in baltimore 2: Movies 3: Re: resin dust = carcinogin 4: Re: What to do in Philadelphia 5: What to do in Philadelphia 6: Re: movie mistakes 7: Re: carcinogenic 8: Tug hulls 9: Re: Russian Battleships 10: Philadelphia's delights 11: Inexpensive model of a navy "stealth" vessel 12: What is Heller HMS Hood like? - egads.. 13: CNN.com - U.S. offers Aegis weapons system to S. Korea 14: Falkland War analogy 15: Re: Philadelphia 16: Bloopers for Pearl harbour just the naval stuff or interesting stuff 17: Re: What to do in Philadelphia 18: Re: The Bedford Incident 19: Re: Philly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Sills O'Keefe" Subject: hobby shops in baltimore Hi all, I'm heading to Baltimore this weekend and was wondering if anyone could point out some good hobby shops in the area. I'm particularly interested in the area around Johns Hopkins Univ. Thanks Sills O'Keefe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Rod Dauteuil Subject: Movies >> Just south of the museum is the four-masted iron barque MOSHULU which is now an upscale restaurant. Worth seeing (and eating there). << Trivia tidbit: The bow of the Moshulu is seen very briefly in the movie "The Godfather Part II" when young Vito Andolini comes to America. It is seen in a composite shot passing the Statue of Liberty. Regarding "Tora Tora Tora", my father once told me a story about when his boss took a trip to Hawaii in 1969. This happened to be at the same time they were filming the sequence where the squadrons come over the Hawaiian countryside. They were unaware any filming was taking place when they saw droves of "Japanese" planes flying overhead. While they knew they hadn't stepped back in time to December 7, they were completely surprised and intrigued by the sight they witnessed. Imagine that! Regarding "The Bedford Incident", a few years ago I posted the same query, and it was answered that the ship is Coontz class CG. In the opening scene when Sidney Poitier and Martin Balsam are being ferried to the ship, you can see the ships number. I forget which it is, but if you ascertain that number it shouldn't be too hard. The Bedford is a fictional ship, but the number may correspond to a real ship. By the way, as I recall they use very little footage of the actual ship. Most of the footage is of a model in a water tank set. >> About 15 miles north and a bit west is Willow Grove Naval Air Station where you can see, through the fence, a line-up of captured Axis aircraft, along with older naval aircraft. << Axis aircraft? In 2002? What kind? Rod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: resin dust = carcinogin From: "Jansen, Matthijs" >> Wow, wat did I read on the SMML site? Is resin dust carcinogenic? That sounds really scary, especially because I posted a message two mailings ago about the fact that I wanted to start with resin casting. By the way, thanks for the reply Michael London. Are there more unhealthy things about modelling? Is putty-dust also carcinogenic? I Know that paint-spray isn't good for your lungs but warnings about cancer, I think I'll just stay with styrene if that is true. << Matthijs, Yes, it is, if breathed. The simple solutions are to wet-sand, outdoors, with a dust mask. Actually, the dust mask isn't really necessary if you wet sand outdoors, and the effect is long-term and mild compared to tobacco. I even do small sandings indoors with plenty of water. It really isn't that big a deal if you take simple precautions. Some solvents, such as plastic "glue" can damage your brain as well, though as long as your room is well-ventilated you'll be OK. Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: JVT7532@aol.com Subject: Re: What to do in Philadelphia Hi Steve, there much to do here in Philly if you have some time. There's the Olympia and the Becuna located right there in center city on the Delaware River at Dock Street, A very nice walk from Center City. Also there's the Seaport Museum located close by the Olympia, Independence Hall, Carpenters Hall, the Liberty Bell, Betsy Ross House, Philadelphia Fire Museum, Elfreds Alley and about another 100 places all within walking distance, oh yes be sure to see Ben Franklin's grave at 5th & Arch streets. I would show you about myself but unfortunately I'm working my day shifts at the firehouse those two days. If you need some advice when your in the area I can give you my cell phone number to give you some hints as to what's good and what's not but be sure to see the Olympia, she's the very last of the Great White Fleet. Best regards, Jon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Mike Bartel Subject: What to do in Philadelphia Sure, take a look at the Olympia, the New Jersey, and the Independence Seaport Museum, but also check out... The usual attractions: the Liberty Bell, Independence Hall, the new Visitor's Center, Philadelphia City Hall. OK, that's standard Philadelphia. Now, if you want to see PHILADELPHIA: Like to eat? Philadelphia is the East Coast's answer to San Francisco in terms of restaraunts. Old Original Bookbinder's closed a couple of months ago, but you can still go to Chestnut Street and take your pick. There's a nice Middle Eastern restaraunt (The Nile) that I highly recommend, especially on a Saturday night with the music and the belly dancers. And, not just Chestnut Street. Like art? You don't have to go all the way across town to the Art Museum, though that's OK too- there's Old City and its many small art galleries. On the First Friday of every month, it's like an outdoor night club with a little art thrown in for a four-square block area. The walk through the area is nice, even not on First Friday, and many galleries are open during the day. Like hobby shops with ship models? Try Alfred Cappelli Jr. Hobbies at 313 Market St. in the aforementioned Old City. I used to work and manage that shop, and I used to stock his ship and railroad sections, so you'll find an excellent selection with some possible surprises. (Warning- his prices are Old-City priced, too - that's the price you pay for having a shop in Center City. Still, you'll spend hours there just browsing.) Like shopping? The Gallery mall on Market between 8th and 13 Sts has four levels, and several surrounding buildings house national and local department stores. Not to mention the shops all along Market and Chestnut sts. Like your nightlife with a few freaks here and there for visual entertainment? South Street is a must. Shops are trendier and more esoteric than mormal. Some great restaraunts there, too. The crowds are fun to watch, too! Don't drive there- parking and traffic are atrocious at night. All this is within 15-30 minutes QUICK walk from the Olympia and the battle ship New Jersey. Bring your walking shoes. You may want to take the bus or the EL to get to some of the areas nearer to City Hall, but you can also use the Philly Phlash bus that operates a route between Penn's Landing and runs through Old City, the Historic Area and runs out to the Art Museum and the Franklin Institute. Get information on the Phlash bus when you arrive- it can be a better friend to you than SEPTA or a rental car or any cab- and CHEAPER. If you decide to rely on public transport, use the PATCO high speed line to get from Center City (8th St.) to Camden, over the bridge, across the river, and walk to the battle ship. PATCO's cars have big picture windows so you can get an amazing view of the river as you cross. It's not to be missed. Feel free to contact me if you need more info while you're here. Mike Bartel IHP http://ihphobby.tripod.com (610) 352-0982 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Re: movie mistakes Andrew- I thought many of the mistakes you found in Tora Tora Tora were quite observant on your part but you also wrote: >> Just before the attack of Pearl Harbour, the sorte of kamakasi planes fly over the Hawaiian country-side and over a large white cross that was... << I just want to clear up that on the Pearl Harbor attack, there were no "kamikaze" sortes and I assume you were just referring to the sorte of attacking planes in a general way. There are still sad misconceptions that all Japanase pilots throughout the war were "kamikazes" and that they were pretty much hell bent on self-immolation. People see a Japanese WWII plane with a pilot wearing a headband and think- kamikaze. In fact, suicide sortes did not begin until late 1944 when the some elements in the Japanese military became very very desperate and were not carried out by every single Japanese pilots. Conventional attacks were still the norm (it was a conventional attack that almost sank the carrier Franklin). The headbands were worn as good luck on all occasions (kamikaze or not), and the fact that pilots would sometimes crash their planes into targets after sustaining damage or personal injuries that would prevent them from returning to their base was not something relegated to the Japanese and was probably quite common(during the end of the Battle of Midway, a US Navy pilot deliberately crashed his damaged plan into one of the Mikuma's turrets). Whether or not your use of the term kamikaze was in true agreement with definition or just a generalization, I don't know. I just wanted to either shed some light on something you may not have realized, or make a point that we should be careful in the use of terms/ideas that are unfortunately full of misconceptions by the general public. Thanks for the entertaining mistakes by the way. You'll have a ball with "Pearl Harbor"... it might be easier to list what is NOT a mistake! Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Subject: Re: carcinogenic I wouldn't go totally avoiding resin because it is harmful. ANYTHING in powder form that you inhale is bad for you (even the styrene you want to stick with). You can't get away from such things, so just take precautions. Buy a face mask that filters dust and has activated charcoal to remove fumes (fumes from resin are what really get to me) and you won't have any problems. The mask will also be useful for painting. I picked up one at Home Depot that is rated for pesticide use, and it works great. Devin In NYC where the air quality makes resin dust seem like childs play. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: AMDM@aol.com Subject: Tug hulls NEED INFO ON LARGE TUG HULLS (FIBERGLASS), WHO, WHERE ...........IM LOOKING FOR A LARGE BOAT! THANKS, ANGELO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Russian Battleships Heard rumours Falk but nothing more. Artwork does not mean much (look at artworks at ICM's site) but I fervently hope that those models will be released eventually. I have a visitor from Ukraine coming here this month so MAYBE I can convince her to do some checking on her return home. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Philadelphia's delights Is there any SMMLer in the Philadelphia area who could take some photographs of the model of Variag displayed in the Franklin Institute??? I would greatly appreciate it and of course if I could offer something in exchange I would do so. Regards D.Przezdziecki -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Inexpensive model of a navy "stealth" vessel I have just completed a really inexpensive scratch-built model of a U.S. Navy stealth vessel, and herewith share details with SMML. Begin with an empty glass or plexiglass case. Make up a mounting device (pedestal, cradle, dry-dock keel blocks, sea surface [for a waterline model] ), and an appropriate base-board. If you remember that the feature of stealth vehicles (aircraft or ships) is the fact that they cannot be detected ( I think you can see where I am going with this ), you have a model of a vessel that no one can see (detect), so therefore you have a model of a stealth vessel. The model cost is truly minimal ( $0.00, how low can you get?), the biggest expense is the case and mounting. Franklyn K. (for Knut, not Knute) Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Simon Wolff" Subject: What is Heller HMS Hood like? - egads.. Hi y'all!! To all those gentlemen who kindly replied to the Hood enquiry.. many thanks! Sadly, the impressions seems to be that it is not a model to be recommended... ah phooee. Cheers Simon Wolff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: CNN.com - U.S. offers Aegis weapons system to S. Korea http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/18/korea.defense/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Falkland War analogy What I meant by that comment about their Vietnam is that how if the troops lose a war they are forgotten, I was not comparing governments! regards Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Philadelphia All I can think of is W.C. Fields' line: "I went to Philadelphia the other day...yes...but it was closed...." Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Bloopers for Pearl harbour just the naval stuff or interesting stuff *During the attack on Pearl Harbor, when the people are jumping off the ships, you can briefly see a crew member (dressed as a sailor) holding a camera (covered in green plastic) floating next to him in the water. *One shot of the "Japanese fleet" at sea clearly shows a nuclear-powered super-carrier, surrounded by guided missile-armed cruisers and destroyers. *Just before the attack on Pearl Harbor begins you see a scene of some Japanese planes flying in a place called Kualoa Valley. Two boys watch these planes fly by. Here is the error- In order to get to Pearl Harbour they would have to be flying almost the exact oppsite direction, these planes were flying out of the valley...back out to sea. *When Rafe and Evelyn are on the platform by the side of the Queen Mary, the platform is going up, but the ropes are not moving through the pulleys. *There is no way that anyone in Hawaii could have listened to the radio chatter among Doolittle's raiders. First, because the planes were flying separately on different routes, not as a group, and were observing radio silence, so there was nothing to hear. But mainly, because the radios used for inter-plane communication are low-power short-range units. Long-range communication was carried out by each plane's radio operator, using Morse code. Long-range voice communication by radio was not possible back then *When Evelyn first enters Pearl Harbor, there is a tall building that clearly says, "Est. 1953." Obviously this is a little ahead of the times *It's 1941 in a military base and NOBODY is smoking... *In the first view of Pearl Harbor, just before the nurses are shown in the small transport boat as they arrive at Pearl, you clearly see the Arizona Memorial in the background as the camera pans down from sky to harbour. * When the Captain goes to the phone, he picks it up, and you see that it isn't connected to anything. * The 4 US Navy ships moored side by side shown in movie during the attack are mothballed Spruance Class Guided Missile Destroyers built during the late 1970s. The large boxes near their bows are box launchers for Tomahawk cruise missiles. I dont think those were in the inventory in 1941. * When the final planes take off from the aircraft carrier to bomb Tokyo, the captain gives the order for extra speed. But when the second and third planes take off you can see that the carrier is safely moored with 3 anchor chains at the front of the ship, and not going anywhere. * On some of the battleships, you can see the tubes for launching missiles. Some never got edited from the final product. * In the scene where President Roosevelt is sitting at the table talking to the joint chiefs etc., the camera pans around the table and as it passes the army general Marshall, I saw what appears to be a Vietnam service ribbon in the cluster on his chest. I only saw this for a second, but as a 'Nam vet, the colours jumped right out at me. I believe he was even wearing 2 battle stars on it. Can anyone say if there was an earlier war that had the same colours? * When Cuba Gooding Jr. is in the hall of the ship, he is holding a tea or coffee set, on the left side of the screen you can see a red light and what appears to be a camera for a brief moment. * We see the Queen Mary, but where is her "war" paint? Queen Mary, along with nearly all liners and civil/commercial vessels, were painted an oceangoing grey for camouflage, but the Queen we see in Pearl Harbor shows in her black and red colors... the Queen is an English vessel and England had been at war two years. She should have been grey by this time. * In the scene where the U.S.S. Oklahoma capsizes, she clearly rolls to the port side. When the bow comes into the air, one can see a hole on the starboard side; obviously from a torpedo. This cannot be. The starboard side was facing the U.S.S. Maryland and thus protected from arial torpedoes. That hole should not be there. * In the scene showing the ship's deck while the ship is sinking and people are falling off of the deck, etc. clearly visible on either side of the deck are huge ship chains. These chains never sag from gravity as the ship is turning on its side. They don't even move. * During the scene where the U.S.S Oklahoma is sinking and is almost completely upside down. An explosion goes on the ship that throws people off the ship and into the air. One person gets blown straight through the propeller with the propeller still staying clean and holeless. seems funny that a movie in 1970 has less mistakes & goofs than a movie in 2001!? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: Re: What to do in Philadelphia Hi Concerning visiting Philadelphia also checkout Independence Hall where the Declaration of Independence was written. Also Convention Hall where the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights was written. Down Town center city has a historical district with these buildings such as Ben Franklin's house, Betsy Ross's house. The Liberty Bell has it's own plaza . You won't be able to touch it because oh about a year ago some nut took a hammer and banged on it.Security has been tighten. Also see if you get directions for Valley Forge National Park. Also try to find in Philly South Street. Because after dark it's a good place to go for something to eat. All kinds of steak sandwich shops, fast food places and Deli's. After midnight many people go there from dates, concerts, and bars. One thing about Philly. There is urban decay and becare of west and north Philadelphia. Follow all road signs carefully. The same goes for Camden. The New Jersey is apart of the water front developement has good police presence. 4 Blocks from that ship isn't nice at all. I'm not biased but reality is reality. Also there is Fort Mifflin a major battle site from the American Revolution and across from there is Red Bank National Park both are forts from the Revolution and were in the same battle in 1776-7 against the Royal Navy. Near the Independence Sea Port Museum on Delaware Ave is the night clubs just north of it by a half mile. I'm sure your hotel will have information you need. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Starline / Fleetline Subject: Re: The Bedford Incident >> Any one happen to know what ship actually starred in this film? Other than the Navy News site, is there a site that lists warships in movies? << I'd have to watch the film again (one of my favourites anyway) but i seem to recall the early shots taken from the helicopter it was a British Q-class destroyer, which later changed to what I believe to be a combination or model-work and stock footage. Hope others add to this as it is supposed to be a USN vessel it the aerial shots always jarred! Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: Philly >> Last year I went to the Franklin Institute (snuck away from a kids party at the please touch museum across the street) and was disappointed that the ship model collection that I vaguely remember from about 20 years ago has been replaced by a sports science area. It's still a great place but there is now essentially nothing on ships :'( [most of the airplane models look like they've been battling cats and dogs but that's another subject] << Yes, The Franklyn is a shadow of it's former self. I first visited in the mid 1960s. At the time, they had an original Steinmetz High voltage generator of the type that he used to do his pioneering mathematical modeling of lightning; a true relic of the history of Electrical engineering. It's now long gone, and possibly destroyed while attempting to move it. BTW along with the other suggestions, don't pass on the Rodin Museum. He was a hell of a scratch builder!!! :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume