Subject: SMML VOL 1629 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 00:11:25 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Carcinogenic 2: naval news 3: W.C. Fields and Philadelphia 4: Re: Franklin Institute (Slightly OT) 5: Re: Bloopers for Pearl harbour just the naval stuff or interesting stuff 6: Willow Grove Naval Air Station 7: The Bedford Incident 8: Re: movie mistakes 9: Re: Tug hulls 10: movie mistakes 11: Re: Falklands War analogy 12: Re: Stealth ships 13: Re: What is Heller HMS Hood like? - egads.. 14: ModelWarships.com 15: IN BOX REVIEW OF B-RESINA HMS VANGUARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Tug hulls -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Carcinogenic Resin dust can be an irritant, and it is a good idea to take reasonable precautions such as wet sanding to hold down the dust. Wear a respirator mask if you really want to be safe, and wash your hands after sanding. I would also be careful handling the liquid resin components. I don't recall seeing that resin dust is overtly carcinogenic. Nonetheless, I think it is always a wise idea to take reasonable precautions. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: naval news General Dynamics Electric Boat to modify USS Jimmy Carter The US Navy has awarded General Dynamics Electric Boat, a business unit of General Dynamics a $5.9 million contract modification to provide design, engineering and technical support for modification to the submarine Jimmy Carter (SSN-23). Electric Boat is now altering the Jimmy Carter, the third and final Seawolf-class submarine, to accommodate advanced technology for naval special warfare, tactical surveillance and mine warfare operations. The modifications will require changes to the basic Seawolf design in the areas of ballast control, mission-management spaces, and various services. A unique feature of the modification is the creation of a flexible ocean interface, referred to as the "wasp waist," which will enable the Navy to deploy and recover various payloads without having to use torpedo tubes. The ship is scheduled for a 2004 delivery. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: W.C. Fields and Philadelphia John Snyder makes me chuckle with his W.C. Fields quotes. Fields was a vaudeville comedian, a contemporary of Mae West, who was not well received in Philadelphia and during the depression era he almost starved to death. Despite his dislike of my old home town, it's alleged his tombstone reads "I'd rather be in Philadelphia". He also said "Ah, yes. My wife drove me to drinking, God bless her". Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Nautical Research Guild -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Franklin Institute (Slightly OT) >> Yes, The Franklyn is a shadow of it's former self. I first visited in the mid 1960s. At the time, they had an original Steinmetz High voltage generator of the type that he used to do his pioneering mathematical modeling of lightning; a true relic of the history of Electrical engineering. It's now long gone, and possibly destroyed while attempting to move it. << During the early 1970's the Franklin Institute received a surplus J model lunar module from the cancelled Apollo flights. This was one of the "heavy duty" science LMs, originally destined to land in the crater Copernicus prior to the program cancellation by R.M. Nixon. Well, the Institute decided to place this delicate thin metal and mylar film wonder outside in the weather. The deterioration was rapid and shameful. The management there was absolutely clueless in how to preserve historical artifacts. Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "melee" Subject: Re: Bloopers for Pearl harbour just the naval stuff or interesting stuff RE Andrew Jones, "funny that......." No it's not. It's just Hollywood trying to steal money from the public by putting out garbage. Trying to make it a "romance" is even more pathetic. Just a sign f the times. Yes, the earlier Tora, Tora, Tora has mistakes, too.....but it is much better.....as a story and plain film-quality as a whole. Lee Shackelford -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: Willow Grove Naval Air Station To answer the question "What Axis/Allied aircraft are on display behind the fence at NAS Willow Grove?" I'd say this: at one time there were several dozen, just sitting out in the weather. You could drive up to a public parking lot just off Route 611 (Old York Road) and photograph them through the fence. Many are gone to museums now, but my photo album shows the following were there in 1962: Mitsubishi A6M5 Reisen (Zero) - Now refurbished and in the Smithsonian. Nakajima B6N2 Tenzan (Jill) Kawanishi N1K1 Kyofu floatplane (Rex) Kawanishi N1K2 Shiden-Kai (George) Arado 196 floatplane Messerschmitt Me 262 B-1a Schwalbe (twin-engine jet, two-seat night fighter) Curtiss P-40E - Now in the Smithsonian Chance Vought F7U Cutlass Lockheed P-80R Shooting Star (low-drag canopy version, racer) Convair XF2Y Sea Dart hydrofoil single-engine delta-wing water-based jet fighter Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Nautical Research Guild -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Mike Potter Subject: The Bedford Incident >> Any one happen to know what ship actually starred in this film? Other than the Navy News site, is there a site that lists warships in movies? << The ship at the beginning of "The Bedford Incident" HMS WAKEFUL, an antisubmarine Type 15 frigate. Disliking the movie's premise, which concludes in the destruction of the destroyer by a Russian salvo of nuclear torpedoes, the USN refused the use of an actual USN warship. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: movie mistakes I remember we were at morning quarters on the KITTY HAWK when we saw the AKAGI (actually I think it was the YORKTOWN or ORISKANY) off the Coast of California launch her Zeros and Kates. We had no idea what was going on other than it must be for a movie or something as that was obviously not her regular aircraft. Now for all you movie mistake buffs here is a web site that is full of all the mistakes from movies - got it off one of the sub forums: http://www.movie-mistakes.com/ Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE PS: Clarification - I'm referring to "Tora, Tora, Tora" - not "Pearl Harbor" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: Tug hulls >> NEED INFO ON LARGE TUG HULLS (FIBERGLASS), WHO, WHERE ...........IM LOOKING FOR A LARGE BOAT! << www.microglass.net Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: movie mistakes I just copied & pasted..saw that "kamikazi" thing was going to change it but forgot to go back to correct it, it was funny watching pearl Harbour & all those mistakes.. I happened to have a look at the website I got these from & the boo boo's on Gladiator (was there jeans in Roman times & also gas bottles?!) & even a few mistakes in saving private ryan..it was funny to view & spot the mistakes..it had 5 for battle of the river plate, mainly the setting of the sun as the ships are passing.. the cruiser steaming up to join the fleet with NO turrets (as someoen mentioned about a month ago) & also the german sailors are wearing american helmets..still I think it is so funny that there are more mistakes in movies these days then in the old times ..will have to go back to the site to see what other mistakes are made in movies like longest day etc ..this is the better one I found http://www.movie-mistakes.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: Falklands War analogy Among the celebrations of the anniversary of the war here in the UK it was stated that 250 of the British Falklands vets commited suicide too. Which seems to indicate that: a- war is almost equaly bad for the winners as it is for the loosers, b- troops which win the war can be forgotten and neglected too. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: MrkLeonard@aol.com Subject: Re: Stealth ships If it's a true stealth ship, how the heck do you find it coming back from liberty? Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: What is Heller HMS Hood like? - egads.. >> To all those gentlemen who kindly replied to the Hood enquiry.. many thanks! Sadly, the impressions seems to be that it is not a model to be recommended... ah phooee. << Do not completely count it out. I am hearing rumors that the kit has been partially re-tooled. I have an older release and am going to get another, so I will do a comparison of the two kits and let the SMML know my findings. I the rumors I heard was that the molds were partially damaged and that is why the kit has not been released in such a long time. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: ModelWarships.com I have been meaning to say this for some time now, but with my memory and all..... Timothy Dike has a ship modeling web site called ModelWarships.com I have been very impressed with all the updates on this ship modeling web site. I think there has been an update almost every day. That's good! There are a huge variety of ship models shown on this site, as well as tons of product reviews. If you are interested, www.modelwarships.com Thanks for all the effort Timothy Dike. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Paveljana2@aol.com Subject: IN BOX REVIEW OF B-RESINA HMS VANGUARD I received my B-Resina 1/700 HMS Vanguard (1946) a few days ago. I am travelling at the moment so it took two months to catch up with me. I have waited around twenty years for a 1/700 scale Vanguard. As a Battleship and Battlecruiser fan, I have the B-Resina 1/700 HMS Iron Duke and HMS Repulse, as well as the HMS Belfast. These kits are of a high standard and above average detail. When I heard that B-Resina was releasing the Vanguard, I pre-ordered it, expecting the same quality. The kit is packed in the same style of box as all the other B-Resina kits, with a line drawing on the lid. On opening the box, filled with packing Styrofoam, it struck me that this ship was big. I inspected the kit, and was troubled by the lack of detail. I was further not convinced that the kit was accurate. There was no shipping damage. I have with me the new publication "HMS Vanguard 1944-1960" Britain's Last Battleship, by Neil McCart. A nice book. I also borrowed "Battleships, Allied Battleships in WWII" by Garzke and Dulin, a copy of which I also have at home, the "bible" on the subject. (kindly lent to me by Jon Iverson of Los Angeles USA) After thoroughly studying the references and the kit, I have come to the conclusion that this kit is a lemon. The hull is accurate as to dimension, length and beam, but has three major flaws. There is no "curve" in the transition from the straight deck and upsweep of the bow, this is a rapid change, but in the kit it is literally an angle, complete with glue marks from the master on the deck. The unusual anchor recesses are not there, the kit's anchors are on the outside. The flare is also not well done, as well there is no taper to the hull. The deck has scribe lines, but there are four join lines running across the deck! Side to side. Between the two forward breakwaters, front superstructure, X turret and midway between Y turret and stern. There are also decisive marks from glue? near the breakwater. The superstructure is fair, looks accurate for the 1946 fit, as in 1947 a refit to take the Royal Family on a tour of South Africa added accommodation to the aft superstructure. Not a lot of detail, rather bland. One major problem is the 40mm Bofors tubs, too large, as these had a net around them; it looks as if the manufacturer took the outside line of the tub including netting. The funnels have no detail on them. Main 15" turrets are WRONG, as the correct shape should be more in the line of HMS Repulse/Renown, as when these ships were redesigned, loosing a turret; these were placed on HMS Courageous/Glorious. Before being mounted on the Vanguard the Gun House's were modified to elevate to 30 degrees, enlarging the ports, as was the Warspite's, (very well done by WEM.) As is, the turrets look like the Hood's. Secondary guns are..Wrong.. The 5.25" DP guns were modified from the KGV class to be fully automatic; increasing the rate of fire, as well as the shape and weight. The kits are too large, by about 20% as well as not being very accurate in shape. Gun directors, no details, and not too accurate, these may be substituted by KGV directors with some modification. No 40mm directors on the superstructure, these will have to be scratch built and the 40mm Bofors, well again, don't hold your breath. The instructions are the usual two sheets. Page one has the parts list; page two has the line drawing, (overhead and profile). Page three has a three part exploded view on superstructure assembly. Page four has a list of B-Resina kits and 2001/2002 releases. All in all a poor kit and a big disappointment to me. After waiting so long and spending around $70.00 US I am a poorer and wiser man. Could this be a copy of the 1/450 Hasagawa kit? I do not have my kit available to check on similarities. It will take a lot of effort to make this up to the standard of a WEM, Hi-Mold, WSW or Samek kit, and a lot of after market products; thanks to WEM this may be possible. For those of you thinking of buying this kit, expect to have to put in a lot of scratch build work and extra money on after-market products. I hope someone else will make this kit! I rate this product a thumbs down. I know that some of you will criticise my review, but for the price, with to-days industry standard on other kits this is a let down. These are my humble opinions and not directed at any company, but an honest review as I see it. Pavel Vacata -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: LHDockyard@aol.com Subject: Re: Tug hulls >> NEED INFO ON LARGE TUG HULLS (FIBERGLASS), WHO, WHERE ...........IM LOOKING FOR A LARGE BOAT! << Angelo, We have a very large selection of large tug hulls ( and small for that matter ) and are constantly adding to the range. You might want to consider contacting us and purchasing a catalog. We can then answer any questions you may have at the same time. Don Loyalhanna Dockyard 7527 Gilbert Road Bergen, NY 14416 716-494-0027 lhdockyard@aol.com Our area code has changed to 585. However, in some areas, this does not yet register with local phone companies, so here are both area codes for your reference: (716) or (585)-494-0027 (716) or (585)-494-1369 Fax www.loyalhannadockyard.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume