Subject: SMML VOL 1635 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 00:14:50 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Movie wish 2: Re: sea movies that should be made 3: 1/40 Scale 4: Movie mistakes 5: The Thin Red Line 6: Re: Camo color information for PGM's -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Movie wish Don Young wrote: >> Who was Lt. CND Robert Wicher? LtCmd Robert W Copeland was the CO of the SammyB and someone a little more romatic than Tom Hanks would be required. << Ooops It should have been Lt. CDR Robert Witcher Copeland. I didn't read the full name on the Navy Cross citation in the book "Little Wolf at Leyte." Hmmm, more romantic than Tom Hanks? Not the guy whose picture I'm looking at. But, then you saw him in real life. How about Harrison Ford? Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Chuck Messer" Subject: Re: sea movies that should be made >> Ever since reading Alistair Maclean's book "H.M.S. ULYSSES" I have wanted to see it transferred to the screen. In my humble opinion it rates alongside the finest of sea/war stories comparable in fact with that other great epic Monsarrat's "The Cruel Sea". I doubt if many of the "nautical buffs" reading these pages has NOT read this tremendous story of a ship on "Russian convoy" duty during WWII, but if you haven't - Do yourself a favour and have a good read!! I await with interest to read your comments!! << I second that. I read H.M.S. Ulysses many years ago. MaClean's description of the artic conditions of the convoys was so vivid I FELT cold, even though I was reading this in the middle of the summer. That would make a great movie. I'd also like to see a gritty, realistic film about the pursuit of the Bismark. It would be a very effective and moving story (no romance), especially the loss of the Hood, and the Bismark crew being left behind after the U-boat sighting forced the withdrawal of the British rescue effort, and the remaining survivors realising they'd been left to die. The grief aboard the British ships would also be portrayed. At least, that's how I'd do it. Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Boatbldr Subject: 1/40 Scale Hi folks I am on the hunt for 1/40 scale figures. Someone said that a bag of toy soldiers would be the closest I would find, and that they would be made out of yucky ugly vinyl. But I thought to myself that perhaps some wise sage on this here list may know better? regards Boatbldr -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Paul & Renee Jacobs" <1250man@attbi.com> Subject: Movie mistakes >> The BIG question, however, is how did Indiana Jones survive traveling hundreds of miles on the outside of a submerged U-boat in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK? << Actually there's no indication in the movie that the U-boat ever submerged. On the other hand if it didn't submerge, there should have been lookouts topside who should have discovered him. Paul Jacobs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "ebrown" Subject: The Thin Red Line Just what was this fim about? No characters to indentify with! Just a lot of confused and frighten men. Nobody to feel sympathy for - certainly not the the Nick Nolte character, the only one I can recall, who could not care less as long as the job gets done. No gungho. No rah rah cheerleader stuff. Love interest only only extending to "faceless" soldier looking at a picture of his "faceless" wife/girlfriend. This film is blatantly antiwar Perhaps the director would have been pleased with the two comments from readers: - "I was hoping the Japenese would sink the transport" "I have no idea WHAT this movie was about" It worked for you two guys!!!!!!!! Not that I have any idea about let alone any experience of war. I would rather believe the chaotic impersonal scenario put forward by The Thin Red Line than say Pearl Harbour or Saving Private Ryan come to that. Edward -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Camo color information for PGM's Hi Steve, I disagree with my learned friend and colleague, Mr. Sheridan. It appears to me, based on tonal differences in the photo, that PGM-12 is in Measure 31, not Measure 32. First, the black boot-topping that is visible in the photo is darker than the darkest shade of camo paint, meaning that that darkest shade is NOT Dull Black. Second, Measure 32 generally called for 5-L Light Gray as the lightest shade, and the lightest shade on PGM-12 is clearly darker than 5-L. So, my take is that she is in Measure 31, using 5-N Navy Blue, 5-O Ocean Gray, and 5-H Haze Gray, with horizontal surfaces in Deck Blue 20-B. She's serving in the Atlantic, so it's unlikely she's in the greens. However, if she was working up and destined for the Pacific, then she could have been in the greens. If so, it's still Measure 31, and the colors are 5-NG Navy Green, 5-OG Ocean Green, 5-HG Haze Green, and horizontal surfaced in 20-G Deck Green. I'd bet on the blues, based on where the photo was taken and when it was taken. As John Sheridan mentioned, the WEM paints don't yet include the USN greens. The operative word here is "yet"; they're in the queue, folks, along with a lot of other colors. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume