Subject: SMML VOL 1642 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:55:45 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Tamiya Missouri PE 2: Brass propelers 3: "The Gift Horse" 4: partial review HMS invincible 5: Re: What is a review 6: Inside Joke 7: Re: Books and Plans for Sale 8: Re: Movie wish list 9: Re: KGV 10: Re: Prinz Eugen available 11: Book Review by Gene Katz 12: Movie mistakes? 13: modeller's home secrets 14: Dry dock flags 15: Airships and airplanes, Re: Indiana Jones... 16: Re: Partial review 17: HMS Ulysses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: S-Boat book update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Brad Daws" Subject: Tamiya Missouri PE Thanks to the guys who gave me the info for this, it's greatly appreciated. On a similar track, I thoroughly reccommend buying BOTH PE kits for the Yamato( GMM and Eduard). When I do find some time maybe I'll get some pics onto a website. Brad -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Eduardo Luis Marcovecchio" Subject: Brass propelers Hello friends, Please, does anyone know where I can buy brass propelers for a R/C ship model? I would try scratchbuilding them, but I lack the proper equipment and talent for doing it. The model is a Tamiya Yamato 1/350, and I would like to use better quality propelers than the plastic ones that come with the kit. I'm looking for 3 blade propelers, around 3/4" in diameter (a little oversized than the original ones). I will need 4 of them, since I didn't change the propeler layout of the ship. By the way, if anyone is into a similar project, I would be happy to share the information I gathered so far for this model. Any kind of help / tip on this subject is greatly appreciated, many thanks! Eduardo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "melee" Subject: "The Gift Horse" I would like to pass on my thanks to the person who mentioned the movie, "The Gift Horse"..I just won a copy at ebay:)) Lee Shackelford -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Billgior@aol.com Subject: partial review HMS invincible to the negativeness on this site first of all the HMS invincible is not out yet and frankly i don't care what photo's you have, i to have photo's of the HMS invincible and from what i can see ISW has done a good job, secondly norman ough plans are considered to be excellent from my sources in england, i have all the british battleship and battlecruiser plans. as i do agree the stern from the model is a little off it is hard to really see it, i have a book on battlecruisers by peter c. smith published in 1972 which has excellent photos of the invincible class battlecruisers and on deck shots from what i can see the ISW hull looks good and also the superstructure posistions. until this model comes out we all should wait and see, i am happy to see world war I naval ship subjects. this site is not suppose to be used to blast anyone if you have problem contact the person on there private e-mails as a modeler i like the information i pick up from the excellent modelers on this site but i get sick of the negativity. model building is suppose to be fun, we are all adults there is such a thing as constructive reviews which i have no problems with, but when come on blast people i have a problem with that, and i hope the other good people on this site does too. i come to on this site to learn new things from the other excellent modelers on this page not too here someone blast someone else. we are all not perfect and i don't think anyone else is either there are going to be mistakes made from the manufactures but as modelers we can correct them, that is what model building is all about. this is just my point of view, i hope everyone feels the same way to. my point to all this is if you have a problem take it up with the manufature personaly don't bast him all over this website in front of everyone you would not like it if it happened to you. as a modeler i will stick up for the good people on this website i hope you will to. sincerely bill giordano -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Re: What is a review I agree with Joel that a lot of time, cost and effort goes into making of the resin kits but what time, cost and effort has to do with the accuracy (or the lack of it) of the kit??? If a plumber would screwed up your drains but said that he spend a lot of time and effort on them would this be acceptable??? Or should we judge resin products like homework in primary school -C for the effect but A+ for the effort??? Maybe some of the SMMLers can afford to buy a ~300 $ kit only to discover later that it isn't exactly what they expected, I, for one, can't and will not. And relaying on other peoples reviews can be sometimes very misguiding too. Anybody is free to do what suits them but I am sticking to my policy: I will never buy a kit before seeing a comprehensive photo review of it first. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: MIKE.LEONARD@customs.treas.gov Subject: Inside Joke Dave Riley asked - >> Say What??? OK, it is the Naval Reserve Officer's Promotion Homepage. What is it you are trying to say? << Just making note of my promotion to captain -- no offense intended! v/r, MWL Congrats on the promtion Mike. S & L -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: HGYL@aol.com Subject: Re: Books and Plans for Sale In Vol 1630 under trader's announcements, books and plans were offered for sale. Would the vendor please contact me because my mails to him have been returned as "undeliverable at this address". Harold Lincoln -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Filipe C. Ramires" Subject: Re: Movie wish list Hi there My 2 cents word! Something about the Guadalcanal Campaign or the Solomon's would be nice. I guess a modern version of "They were expendable" would be lovely to see! But please...at least with models or computer art...not Nimitz or Ticonderoga ships representing WWII warships!!!!!!! Regards. Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: KGV Hi Karl, The Tamiya KGV is in a late war (1945) fit, so would properly be painted in Admiralty Standard camouflage, using G45 and B20 (may be wrong on the latter color--we just moved and all my references are still packed), with unpainted teak decks. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Rick Schiller" Subject: Re: Prinz Eugen available HLJ (Hobby Link Japan) has the Prinz Eugen Tamiya current 1:700 kit at $16.80. Not in stock currently but things come and go with them. Rick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Virginia Katz Subject: Book Review by Gene Katz Gli Incrociatori Italiani Having a long-time interest in the Regia Marina (RM, Royal Italian Navy), I jumped at a chance to expand my RM library. Recently, I ordered the volume Esploratori Italiani and was not displeased, and at the same time procured a very comprehensive tome on RM cruisers. This second book is a Cruiser-Lover's-Guide-to-the-Italian-Cruisers-Galaxy. Published as the 4th edition in 1976 by the Official History Office of the Italian Navy in Roma, authored by Giorgio Giorgerini and Augusto Nani,"Gli Incrociatori Italiani" is one of an official series of volumes on the RM that covers all aspects of the RM ships, actions, losses, histories, and related facts/figures of interest to RM and other Naval buffs, cruiser fans, ship historians, modelers, and Italo-philes. It is a heavy volume, over 700 pages, weighing in at almost 5 pounds, 8 -1/2 by11 inches, and covered with a black and white dust jacket. The hardback Navy blue cover is imprinted in gold. Organized into 8 chapters in chronological order, from 1861 to 1975, it traces the cruiser historical timeline (both Italian and other cruisers of the world) from the final days of wooden ships to hybrids, scout cruisers, battle cruisers, armored cruisers, protected cruisers, lights and heavies, anti-aircraft cruisers, and so on up to the missile cruisers of the 1960's Italian Navy. Even photos and drawings of the '30s built and '60s converted Garibaldi are shown displaying the tubes intended for launching the never-supplied Polaris missles. The Kaiser's Imperial High Seas Fleet and His Majesty's Grand Fleet are represented, as well as the IJN, and even the USN's four-pipe cruisers and two-ship Alaska Class Battlecruisers (CB). Heavy with photos and illustrations, it captures the history and development of this ship type in the Italian language. The photos speak for themselves, since I am limited in my translation of Italian. (Luckily, my wife speaks Italian, so I do have a convenient and fairly reliable source). The illustrations, to me, make the book. Both line drawings and black and white photographs, including those of other world Navies cruisers, are numerous throughout each chapter. Generally, most of the Italian cruisers are represented by photographs, sectional cutaways, diagrams, and cross transverse views, outline drawings, side views, and plan (overhead) views, as well as tabular data and text. Details include things such as angle and thickness of armor, resistance to penetration, gun range if I have translated accurately. There are a lot of revealing photographs which will certainly please the model maker. A few of the really older photos show very early Italian Naval Aviation attempts aboard RM cruisers in the form of tethered observation balloons. They look like early crude versions of shipboard barrage balloons in WW2. Represented are cruisers of various vintages and countries, including but not limited to, war prizes! However, many of the non-Italian ships are shown in overall photograph only. Even the individual Italian ship mottoes are given, as well as photographs of their beautifully carved, ornate (…that fine Italian flair) wooden chests containing their battle flags for hoisting in combat. Apparently these were donated to the ships, at the time of commissioning, by various cities in Italy. I obtained my copy from Mr. Pirocchi of La Libreria Militare (they have a website) in Milano, Italy, paid in Euros, and it arrived here in about 3 and ½ weeks via sea mail. I did not hesitate to place an order since I successfully ordered from them before. Theoretically, the Italian Navy's History Office is working/planning on updating and re-publishing each individual volume in the series (as in domani, domani…). You may be able to purchase from that Office directly, as they also have a website in Italian, but IMHO you may have a better chance by contacting one of their official Sales Agents as I did. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: Movie mistakes? Well, my favorite is Steven Spielberg's film "Always", starring Holly Hunter and Richard Dreyfus. The story line revolves around these two who are pilots flying "borate bombers" fighting forest fires in the western United States. At one point Holly is airborne at night (during an emotional upheaval) in her Douglas B-26 (A-26 during WWII) Invader. The hydraulic system gauge slowly winds down to register zero. In the real world this would require her to use the emergency hydraulic hand pump to lower the landing gear by manual means. In the movie, this, of course, meant both engines had to fail simultaneously, resulting in ditching the aircraft in the water. At night! (!!!!) Bob Steinbrunn (incredulous in) Minneapolis Nautical Research Guild -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: modeller's home secrets When I was working on my na-57 for the display day this Saturday for APMA & I was using liquid nails to mount the engine block I was wondering what house or hardware stuff people use , so I thought that this might give other people out there some good tips or just make another good discussion topic. -so far I have heard a certain typ of floor wax (Johnsons floor wax in Australia I think) is that you put your first coat of coat on then wait till it dries & then floor wax it to help the decals slide on or you could soak decals in the solution to lift them off.never tried it myself but maybe somebody out there migh have had experience with it - When I goof up a paint job & the entire paint job has to be taken off, some type of oven cleaner clean off the paint without eating the plastic & you use either an old toothbrush or one of those electrical toothbrushes to take off the goop - Toothpaste is supposed to be a good agent on clear canopies for "misting" - Liquid Nails is a thickly style of adhesive, I use it as a bit of putty/glue..Doesnt always work on some areas, but sometimes I do get the results im after if I want a putty that can double as a glue so what stuff around the house do you use & if you steal some of your wife's stuff, we wont tell her.,lol ..well im sure you all have some use of household products that other peole may not know about & some other people might find extremely usefull Andrew oz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Dry dock flags I will appreciate the comments of SMML concerning flags displayed by U.S. Naval vessels whilst in drydock undergoing repairs etc. It is my understanding that the American flag (National Ensign) is flown from the after mast, and certain signal flags (such as "Sub 3", a white triangular pennant having a wide horizontal black stripe indicating that the captain is not on board, when appropriate) are flown from a spar of the mainmast. I have encountered a difference of opinion about the displaying of the "Union Jack" (a blue flag with 50 white stars) from the foremast, as it is when the vessel is afloat. The foremast and the after mast may indeed be only adequate to support the flags, not full-sized masts. Therefore I have two questions: 1) Is it correct to display the Union Jack in drydock ? And 2) What other signals would be reasonable in drydock? I have heard that "Baker" (a square red flag having the downwind edge cut as a flat "vee") indicating that hazardous materials such as liquid fuel, or ordinance, etc. are being transferred is sometimes flown. My sixty-eight-year-abuilding model of a WW 1 110 Ft. Subchaser is finally encased, sitting on keelblocks, as in a drydock. What I lack in skill may be offset by having it done correctly, at least. To this end I solicit the respected opinions of SMML's many highly knowledgeable members, on or off list, all of which will be appreciated. In advance, I thank you, from my bottom to my heart. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: Airships and airplanes, Re: Indiana Jones... Hello all, Mr Heasel, You asked where they got the idea for an airplane hanging beneath an airship. Well, I know that both hte British and Americans experimented with Airship borne airplanes. While I grant No German Civilian Zeppelin carried airplanes. The U.S.S. Los Angeles, which was German built and very much like the German passenger airship "Graf Zeppelin" was used in the American program of flying aircraft from airships. Even more to the point, the two American Airships U.S.S. Acron and her Sister U.S.S. Macon both carried 5 Curtis Sparrowhawk fighters inside the Airship hull and launched them from a Device called "The Trapese" The Pilots got so confident in the airplanes that they had the maintainence crews remove the landing Gear as it only created unnecessary drag and slowed the planes down. And, There are plenty of pictures. just an FYI Rich Sweeney -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: Partial review ENOUGH! Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Shane Subject: Invincible photo comparision Hi all, Before I start, let me reiterate that this comparision is something I normally would not do, as I much prefer to have the kit in front of me for review purposes. It's very hard to review a kit from photos posted on a website, the camera is at times most unreliable. It's better to wait until you get it in your hands, where you can see it. Huge "errors' in pictures, can sometimes turn out to be negligible when seen in the flesh with the whole kit. However circumstances have forced me to intervene. The photo that DP has been referring to in his posts comes from the book: Jon Guttman's "Defiance at sea: Stories of Dramatic Naval Warfare". I have not seen this book, so will take DP's word in this. The photo in question has the caption "Invincible in dry-dock at Gibralter, January 1915, undergoing repairs substained during the Falklands battle...." To be short, it appears based on this one photo that DP has a point with the net shelve, however some application of modelling skill should fix this error to the modeller's satisfaction. But since the kit is labelled as 1916 and this photo was taken in Jan 1915, with at least two refits after that before her demise at Jutland in 1916, the shelve may well have changed in this time - my limited refs neither confirm or deny this. This again shows the difficulty of reviewing something that is not in front of you. In email conversation with Jon Warneke, he says that the kit will be due out in a the latter half of this year and at that stage I look forward to seeing or doing a review of the complete kit. In closing, let me say that pre-release photos such as these which are put in the public domain, invite comments and it's up to the individual whether those comments are also put in the public domain or sent privately - both avenues are equally valid. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Ian Archer" Subject: HMS Ulysses Hello again. Can somebody recommend a source for photos or drawings and camouflage colours for the HMS Ulysses? Also what is the best way to glue etched bits to resin? The resin seems a bit slippery as compared to plastic. Ian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: PT191@aol.com Subject: S-Boat book update Hello All, The book is now completed. It will be sent out as soon as possible. T. Garth Connelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume