Subject: SMML VOL 1649 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:30:16 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Harold E. Holt 2: Re: Dark class boats 3: Scharnhorst 4: PT 330 Camouflage 5: Re: DARK 6: Re: Akron / Macon 7: German 206A submarine 8: References and torpedo nets 9: People around New York area May 2nd 10: Re: Harold E. Holt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Harold E. Holt Yup Mike that is what happened to the guy - when I found out I was going to a Sponsors gift I thought, "Wow" probably named after some famous American Hero - so it was a bit tempered when I found out it was for the widow of the Prime Ministers wife. Ah, and it this point I wish to say I mean no disrespect to the Prime Minister or to the land of "Oz" it is just at that young age you have different perspectives in life. Today I assure you I am proud to have done it - no idea where it is or what his widow did with it - if anyone has seen it down there please let me know. Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE - Naval & Aviation Artist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "John Barnum" Subject: Re: Dark class boats Dear Simon There was a class of 18 motor gun /torpedo-boats. The only reference I have to them is a small drawing in" the Metal Fighting ships of the Royal Navy 1860 -1970 by E.H.H. Archibald. The details are 18 boats between 1955-57, 64 tons, 71ft o/a, 19ft beam 5ft draught. Guns 1x4.5" D.P., 1x40mm A.A.; or 1x40mm A.A., 4x21mm torpedoes or 6 mines. Engines and Speed Diesel 5,000h.p., 40 knots First diesel engine type. The only photos I have are Dark Killer (P1111) and Dark Clipper (P1109) in "Royal Navy in Focus 1950-59" I could get photo copies if you wish. John Barnum Margate, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "John Barnum" Subject: Scharnhorst Hi Does anyone out there have a copy of "Scharnhorst after the 1938 Refit" from the Tamiya magazine, issue 9 (spring 1987)? It is an artical on how to convert the Airfix kit. Many Thanks John Barnum Margate, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Martin Gertenbach" Subject: PT 330 Camouflage Hi, I'm looking for some additional information on mid-war PT Boats like Pt 330. As far as I figured out, the boat was painted in the MS 31/5p scheme. I only found a starboard view of this scheme. Does anyone know where I can find a port side and a deck view? Does the camouflage extend on the deck? In which colour should I paint gun mounts and other smaller parts, like the interior of the 50. cal. turrets. Which of the two greens was used as the base colour? Ocean green or navy green? Which version of these colours where used? On the S&S paint chips I found the original colours and a revised one. Thanks for your help, Martin Gertenbach -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: chris rogers Subject: Re: DARK I think these where a class of fast patrol boats before the Brave class could be wrong though chris oz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Edd Pflum Subject: RE: Akron / Macon John W. Wressell wrote: >> 15 years or so ago I built a model of the Akron. It's about 3 feet long and used the old "stick model" type of construction. Found a small set of plans in "National Geographic". Tried to get a larger set from them but they were not helpful. Covered it with two layers of a heavy rag or silk paper then used silver dope. It has the hanger bay and two of the small fighters suspended beneath her. She's in a glass and mahogany case mounted on the wall. Handsome model if I do say so.<< For those who are interested, Megatech makes stick and tissue display models of a few airships. America's Hobby Center... http://www.ahc1931.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+ ...lists the kits (about halfway down, MTC 7000 thru MTC 7003.) Clicking on the part number will show a picture of the prototype (not the kit), and an uninformative blurb (editorial comments supplied.) The Graf Zeppelin is 31", and the Los Angeles is 24". Either is $39.95. A 36" Los Angeles (listed as the ZR-3) is $59.95. A 48" Hindenberg is $99.95. These are based on the old Winston kits (which I, for one, have never heard of.) In the late '50s I had to take the bus to a doctor's or dentists appointment, and on the way back I would stop at a little hobby shop and check out the models. They had a 3' Hawk Graf Zeppelin that I drooled over every time, but it was beyond my means (probably $10!) The structure (AFAIR) was vacformed, with injection molded details. Also has a squadron of escorting Army fighters (P-26s ?) Can't remember whether it was the doctor or dentist, but Boy, do I remember wanting that kit! ROG has the Hindenberg and her short-lived sister the Graf Zeppelin II (...well actually, neither of them lived very long) in 1:720. Somebody made injection molded kits of the Akron/Macon, but I can't remember the manufacturer or the scale. Edd (Who's spent a large portion of his life prowling hobby shops.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Bill TGH" Subject: German 206A submarine Having completed a 1/700 twin pack of a German 206 & French RUBIS with my son (7 and building more than I),we picked up a 1/144 Revell kit of the 206A.... Can anyone on the list point us to online references for this class? I found a few pictures on the Subs of the World site... but most of the links now lead nowhere... AND if anyone has built this puppy, advice would be welcome... cheers Bill TGH {VP & CEO} banished to the basement @ BAD Productions Est. F'ton '94 MAD R&D Brewing Trouble since '98 'There is nothing in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and he who considers price only is that man's lawful prey.' -----------John Ruskin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: References and torpedo nets I have no idea what references ISW used to make Invincible's kit in her 1916 appearance since (to my knowledge) no set of plans exist showing this ship at that particular time. If I were to venture an opinion I would say that John Robert's plans formed the main basis for their work. Torpedo shelves are a difficult issue indeed. From the photograph of Invincible in dry dock in Gibraltar I know that shelves were still there in January 1915. What is more a photo of Inflexible (page 56, R.A.Burt "British Battleships of WWI") APPEARS to be showing her still carrying net shelves well into 1918. Regards D.P. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: People around New York area May 2nd For those lucky enough to be in or around NY on May 2nd.. According to an advert I see in the latest issue of World War 2 , there will the "the 19th military Book & hobby show".. More than 40 companies, large & small, will be exhibiting the latest in books, regalia, video, miniatures, collectable & related items in the technologies Hall aboard the Intrepid sea air space museum.. From 10am to 3pm...wish I could go.... seems for more information contact dean Regan @ primedia (703) 779-8320 (Dean_Regan@primediamags.com) or Jim Sutton @ Specialist marketing International (301) 371-7603 (TheJSutton@aol.com) .. This didn't appear on the intrepid's web site, but boy what a sight this would be... imagine the spending!!!!!!!!!!! anyone going????? any shopkeepers you know putting stalls or the shop keepers on this site got a stall?? well if anyone is going, let us know how it was ... rub it by telling us how many books or models or collectables you bought,lol I am not connected with any of this, just saw it as an advert in the current issue of World War 2 magazine. Andrew Oz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Steve James" Subject: Re: Harold E. Holt Yes Mike, Melbourne does have a swimming pool named after the Prime Minister who drowned while swimming at a beach during a very bad storm, suicide or stupidity are both considered! Even more more ironic is the fact that the USN has the Harold E. Holt VLF radio station located in Western Australia - it's primary is (was? I visited years ago) communication with US submarines!! 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