Subject: SMML VOL 1651 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:10:37 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Moving Models 2: Re: People around New York area May 2nd 3: Perfect Storm' tugboat rescued 4: DKM jacks and ensigns 5: Help, please 6: Re: Fine Models 7: Re: HMS Vega 8: 1:600 Kitech Charles De Gaulle 9: Re: Naval flags 10: Re: Pilothouse Porthholes 11: Re: HMS VEGA kits 12: Jacks, BRAVO flags, carrier decks, and the Lex 13: Interesting items on eBay 14: Resin parts article 15: BANNER ARIZONA 16: Re: Akron/Macon Kit 17: Re: USN WWII. Carrier decks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Chuck Evans" Subject: Moving Models Has anyone had any experience in moving models from home to another? How did you protect them? It seems the only thing that should touch them is air. I'm open to any successful ideas. Chuck Evans Minneapolis, Minnesota -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: People around New York area May 2nd >> This is the first I've heard of this event. Anyone else in the NYC area going? The 2nd is a Thursday, so I find that a bit odd, but I'll be emailing the contact to see anyway. I work in Times Square, so it's a short trip for me. << Same here. This news to me and I'm in Midtown, too. Dan Kaplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Perfect Storm' tugboat rescued http://asp.washtimes.com/printarticle.asp?action=print&ArticleID=20020415-26271767 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Doug Bauer" Subject: DKM jacks and ensigns I need some help from all those ex-DKM SMs and QMs out there....I plan on depicting my German V-P boat at anchor, but am having difficulty determining the correct types and positions of flags/jacks used by the DKM in this situation. First off, I have to assume the vessel would display the black "anchor ball" at the mainmast since they probably abided by the International Rules of the Road; but now the problem of the correct flags to fly arises. In Paul Beaver's two books, "German E-Boats and Coastal Craft" and "German Destroyers and Escorts" I see photos of vessels in various in-port and underway situations: underway vessels seem to universally display the Naval Ensign/battleflag from the gaff, but there seems to be no standardization when in port. Photos of nested destroyers show the Kriegsflagge at the gaff, others not. Pp. 70-71 in "...Coastal Craft" shows a V-P boat in drydock with what appears to be the Kriegsflagge at the stern flagstaff, and in an inset it shows a national flag (black mobile swastika on a white disc centered in a red field) at the bow jackstaff. Can anyone clear up this confusing situation for me? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Keith Butterley" Subject: Help, please Hi group, Pre-amble (if you don't want to be bored, skip to appropriate section): Yes I know we have covered it and yes I was asleep, so forgive me, yes I should already know some of the answers, but my reference library is buried in a storage locker. I am about to do my third "not-for-me" model, I won't say professional because that would imply I am getting paid and I am not. BORED READERS START HERE The object of the "customer's" affection is the Tamiya 350 KGV, he wants it in the 1944 camo scheme pictured on the box. Therefore...... Questions: Is the scheme accurate? What colours should I use? What mods do I need to make to the kit? He has the GMM PE set, should I get the WEM one as well? Anything else I should know? Thank you many times in advance!! Keith Butterley http://www.warshipbooks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Fine Models CJ, That would be "Fine Art Models". I have seen some of these models in person and they are very nice, very nice indeed! Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: MIKE.LEONARD@customs.treas.gov Subject: Re: HMS Vega >> I am trying to trace Armada to obtain the above. Do you have any idea of whehter they still exist in Winnipeg or relaible stockists of their product. << Armada ship models are long out of production, although the parent company (Custom Dioramics) is still marketing other products -- such as 1/35 scale military miniatures, buildings, and diorama accessories. MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Mike Bartel Subject: 1:600 Kitech Charles De Gaulle I have some photos of this new kit for those who haven't seen it yet. It's a brand-new kit, but it's an exact 1:600 reproduction of the Heller 1:400 kit. It's actually quite nice. Some photos are at the link below: http://ihphobby.tripod.com/kitechdegaulle/kitechdegaulle.html Mike Bartel IHP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Naval flags Please allow me to express my appreciation for the many interesting responses to my inquiries about naval flag protocol. An active ship modeler in the Washington D.C. has checked personally with the Research Librarian of the U.S.Navy Library, who in turn contacted the flag expert at The Smithsonian. They both agree that the National Ensign and the Union Jack would be worn (flown) if the vessel is in dry dock for a relatively short time, that is if the vessel is not taken out of commission while in dry dock. An active sea duty Chief Quartermaster agrees. Accordingly, I will retain the jack on my encased sub chaser (especially because I spent so much time getting it to hang correctly), with the assurance that it is correctly displayed ( or at least not incorrectly so ). Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya choice. Now, the next question is "What constitutes 'commissioning'?" O.K. fellas, speak up. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "James M. Pasquill, II" Subject: Re: Pilothouse Porthholes You can buy etched brass porthole lips from Scale Link in Britain. I don't have the web address here but just enter Scale Link in a search mech. and you should come up with it. JP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: HMS VEGA kits Attn. Joe Whittaker.. Ray Bean here from winnipeg, Canada. The Armada kits are long out of production. There is one left in a store about a mile from me and he wants--get this--$140 for it...USD. I had two last year and finally sold them at bids as high as these. Contact me off list at stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca if you wish to pursue this. This could be the last kit of that in Western Canada. RDB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Jacks, BRAVO flags, carrier decks, and the Lex Hi there SMMLies I'm just back from chaparoning my daughter's high school band ski trip to Winter Park, Colorado. After a day to recover, I've just about finished wading through the contents of my inbox. Jacks flown in drydock -- see the newly posted photo of the USS Augusta at the US Naval Historical Center. http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/b00001/b21338f.jpg BRAVO flag -- they are also flown at the rifle, shotgun, and archery ranges at my son's Boy Scout summer camp. Its called the "red flag". Well so much for codes & signals -- its no longer a merit badge. And regarding Steve Wiper & Darren Scannell's separate posts on carrier decks. I was on the USS Lexington a few weeks ago. They had a display area on the making of "Pearl Harbor" (I'll try not to open that can of worms farther). The Disney folks left some prop carrier deck sections. They used 4'x8' grooved exterior plywood sheathing - the kind with the groove milled every 6 inches. They were painted/stained a weathered silver gray. About every 10' there was a strip that was painted a neutral gray. On that strip there were a series of facing "[ ]" shapes that were stenciled the length of the gray strip. I believe that Darren wrote that the shapes were back-to-back (i.e. "] [). I think the facing shape is actually correct. Darren's tip will work - just be sure to check the direction of the "]". The effect of the prop decks looked to be pretty good and could work in a larger scale - say for a model aircraft deck diorama - using some Evergreen scribed sheet stock. The Lex's deck has been painted overall dark deck gray for the movie. With the exception of the far aft area, the deck marks are white dashes. In the far aft area - the normal alternating white and yellow bars remain. The heavy flight-deck non-slip covering is chipping and pulling away revealing the wooden deck beneath. You can see the wooden plugs that cover the hardware that holds the wooden decking in place. The recessed tie-down stars that were installed during her life as a training carrier were filled and painted over to make less of a trip hazard for a place open to the general public. IMO - the Lex's condition is inconsistent. The starboard side (where you board) is well maintained and painted well. The catwalks are useable to the 40mm gun galleries. On the port side the condition is not as good. There the paint is streaked with spots of rust - and the catwalks and galleries are open to the sea in many places. The portside catwalks are not accessible. There is a refurbishment going on to the island. Last year there was a fire onboard. You cannot access the area directly below the bridge, nor the flag bridge area above the conning bridge. Ed The ski school instructors in Colorado who are from Oz are getting set to return to the Southern Hemisphere. 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See if some of your friends have a copy or if the local library has the magazine if you don't want to buy a copy or do not have access to one otherwise. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "DUCKMAN" Subject: BANNER ARIZONA THANX TO ALL WHO HELPED ME ON THIS. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. WHAT CAN I USE TO REPLACE THOSE HIDEOUS SMALL CALIBER GUNS ON THE SUPERSTRUCTURE? DAVID IN DIXIE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: Re: Akron/Macon Kit Hello, I don't know the scale either, but the injection molded kit was made by MPC, they also made a kit of the Hindenburg. I wish I had one(two) of the Akron/Macon kit(s). I know with the Hindenburg there was a scale representation of a DC-3 wich nicely fit on one of the Horizontal stabilizers... My Two cents, Rich Sweeney -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Doug Wilde" Subject: Re: USN WWII. Carrier decks This confidential letter from the Chief of the Bureau of Ships to the Supervisor of Shipbuilding, USN, Cleveland, Ohio, C-IX64 (512) on 21 June 1942 Subject: USS SEEANDBEE (IX64) - Flight Deck, Painting of. "...the following information is forwarded to clarify this subject and to insure that the flight deck painting will be in accordance with present practice: The flight deck should be painted (stained) with two (2) coats of dark grayish blue stain, Norfolk formula No.250-N. The stripes or markings should be painted with two (2) coats of stain, Norfolk formula No.251-N. Stain for deck markings is to be furnished by the Government and is available at Norfolk Navy Yard, from which source the Supervisor should procure. In estimating the quantity of paint required, a coverage of 600 square feet per gallon should be used." 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