Subject: SMML VOL 1656 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:23:37 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: USCG's CAPE Class 95 foot Cutters 2: Re: ISW 1/350 HMS Invincible Hull Review or beating a dead horse 3: Re: Flag Trivia 4: USS SKIPJACK colors 5: 1904 cinammon colour 6: Re: stretched sprue rigging 7: WWII colours to RGB values 8: USS Stennis/other CVN's 9: Re: USS Skipjack SSN-585, colours and details needed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: Re: USCG's CAPE Class 95 foot Cutters >> I am in need of assistance. I need photos of the USCG's CAPE Class 95 foot Cutters. I am specifically looking for photos of an unit of what's referred to as the "B" series. The "B" series boats were armed with a 40mm Bofors, two single .50 caliber machine guns and the Hedgehog anti-submarine rockets and Type "D" depth charges in roll-off racks. I'd also like the photos of one from the 1950s, before the Coast Guard put that darned orange stripe on their vessels. << Tim, Try the USCG Museum Northwest, in Seattle. They have a lot of info, and the museum is run by modellers. A web search will turn up their contact info. Bill Check out my US Coast Guard subjects model list at: http://www.tiac.net/users/billkaja/kitlist.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: MMclau1079@aol.com Subject: Re: ISW 1/350 HMS Invincible Hull Review or beating a dead horse I agree with those on this site who have pointed out that making a model review based on ISW's Invincible model photo's (which on my computer show up with very poor resolution of detail) as a very problematic excercise in photo interpretation at best. Having said that, lets have a look at Invincible's torpedo net "shelves" for want of a better term. On many Royal Navy ships of this period, the torpedo net shelve appears to be "generally" uninterupted in length. But on "some" Royal Navy ships such as the Invincibles, this torpedo net shelve were seperated by cut-outs or spaces along the length of the shelve. I believe based on the photo's I have seen of Invincible that their should be 14 torpedo net booms or spars. These cross diagonally on the hull and fit into I believe 12 seperate spaces or cut-outs from the shelves on Invincible. The first and last boom or spar do not require this cut-out since they are at the outside ends of the shelves.(Inflexible's and Indomitable's torpedo net shelves are arranged a little differently from Invincible.) Although, the torpedo nets and rigging were removed from Invincible by the Battle of the Falklands in 1914, these spaces or cut-outs between the shelves where the booms or spars would fit in should still be in place for ISW's 1916 Invincible configuration since the shelves remained. The ISW photo's don't seem to show all of these spaces or cut-outs between the shelves along the full length. Additionally, the last segment of the shelve does not appear to me to match up at exactly the same hull point on the stern as represented in either R.A Burt's or John Robert's drawings of Invincible. These are small points at best and would not require much effort to correct. Overall from what I can "see", ISW's representation of Invincible looks pretty good next to these two author's respective drawings. The stern does appear to tapper off too much but, this appearance may be caused by the angle of the photo. You really do need to have the model in hand to make a fair review. Regards, Miles F. McLaughlin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Flag Trivia Nice one John Heasel, that was going to be my follow up question - what is the man overboard dummy's name - Even though it is OSCAR we used to write the name of the Ship's Boatswain on the life jacket. Mike NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "John Anderson" Subject: USS SKIPJACK colors Skipjack are as follows Floquil paints Rail road colors: Top of sail to cenertline on hull Grimy Black Centerline to bottom of hull Zinc Chromate red primer Marker bouys International orange Sonar domes SP Lark gray Propeller Gold Draft markings Woodland Scenics Then after all paint is dry and transfers installed a good coat of Floquill Clear Flat put over the entire boat to protect the paint -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: 1904 cinammon colour D. Przezdziecki wrote: >> * it was Falk Pletscher (to my knowledge) who first come up with 4/1/2 ratio for the early Port Arthur scheme and I am in complete agreement with him on this issue. << Take this as the common result of a lenghty discussion between D.P. and me during which we evaluated different references. Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: stretched sprue rigging >> I've heard a good way to tighten stretched sprue rigging is to carefully apply heat and it will tighten right up....but what's the safest way to do this? I tried << A small soldering iron works quite well. I also like using a piece of punk. Smokers used to use a cigarette. Whatever you use, don't let it touch the rigging. Better still, use fishing tippets line. It won't get as brittle as stretched sprue and you can tighten it up the same way. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Cataldo Torelli" Subject: WWII colours to RGB values Hi again, It's been a year without posting and almost reading the list. Now I have a project that needs to model and paint American and Japanese ships and aircraft from Pacific War at WWII. I wonder if there's a list to match, the best way posible, those colours to RGB values. Thanks in advance, Cataldo Torelli Madrid, Spain -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Rod Dauteuil" Subject: USS Stennis/other CVN's Hello all, CBS produced a special documentary which aired last night. It was about life on the USS John Stennis, our nuclear carrier fighting the war in Afghanistan, and it was hosted by the venerable anchorman Tom Brokaw. He got to spend ome time onboard, documented operations, met the crew, and even flew backseat in a Tomcat on a photo recon mission. Anyway, the purpose of this post is to point out that this carrier does not have a the usual ship's number number on the forward flight deck. There were several very clear shots of the flight deck, and at first I thought perhaps the numbers were obscured by grime or scuffs. But when I saw the area again and again, I firmly concluded there are no deck numbers. I wonder if the numbers are painted out for combat exercises? Interesting. For what it's worth. Rod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: USS Skipjack SSN-585, colours and details needed >> What is the right colour scheme for the USS Skipjack SSN-585? Revell suggest black hull and grey superstructures, but I found photos of models painted all black or also red and black. And is there an article about how to improve the Revell kit? << Pietro, There is a wonderful series of 1968 photos of the USS Scorpion (SSN-589) coming alongside the USS Tallahatchie County (AVB-2) which was acting as a small sub tender at the time. The series of photos can be found on the Naval History Center at: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-s/ssn589.htm This page is the title page for the sub and there are two pages with this series of 14 photos shows the general paint scheme as well as many details. The colors involved are "aged" haze gray (darker), on the vertical surfaces of the sail, and a dull black, on the hull and horizontal surfaces, with patches of bright new haze gray on various panels of the sail. Alternately, in 1960, the boat was finished in an overall black scheme. The lower hull should be painted antifouling red. James Corley AAA Hobby Supply email: aaahobby@earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume