Subject: SMML VOL 1657 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:25:04 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Tippet line 2: Re: Stennis/Nimtz class CVN's 3: Painting opinions needed 4: Re: Moving models 5: Does Size matter? 6: Re: Tightening rigging 7: Re: Oscar 8: Re: USS Stennis/other CVN's 9: Re: USS Stennis numbers 10: Siga MK 13 Torpedos 11: Someone to build Sydney? 12: Re: The color of cinnamon 13: Re: Flag Trivia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: 1:700 1938 HMS LION class BB 2: PE for Tamiya Prinz Eugen 3: NNT 1:700 Goeben/Moltke IN STOCK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Tippet line >> Better still, use fishing tippets line. It won't get as brittle as stretched sprue and you can tighten it up the same way. << It also comes in different diameters for different scales. I'm really sold on this stuff. It's great! Rusty White #20181 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: cpowewax@att.net Subject: Re: Stennis/Nimtz class CVN's As far as I know they still place the numbers on the bow/flight deck area. Some recent photos show a low-viz number (white outlined numbers) verses solid white painted numbers. However it doesn't take long when engaged in flight ops for these numbers to wear out or become invisible. They are right in the path of both bow cats. In fact the whole flight deck finnish and markings ages rapidly during a normal Med deployment. In conditions STENNIS was in at filming, the last thing the C.O. is concenred about is flight deck numbers being pristine. The entire crew is working their buts off around the clock with combat ops and support. So an educated guess in enroute back to homeport these numbers will be repainted. Same low viz numbers I have also seen on the Island. The Navy news site had pictures of Enterprise enroute to the West coast from a just completed RCOH (Refueling and comprehensive overhaul) of almost 3 years. A quik look at her flight deck showed similar wear and tear. Stennis photo 22 Mar 2002 Check out this recent shot you will see the permanent ships hull number outline (weldline) on the bow of Stennis CVN-74, all it needs is a coat of paint http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/stennis/sten-fdviklaun.jpg Wayne E. Weatherwax CPO,USN (ret) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Painting opinions needed Ok, I face a major hurdle in this project...I'm building the RM Goizia from Tauro in 1/400 scale...all is well with the splinter pattern (major reason for the project in the first place) but I'm having all sorts of troubles masking the red stripes on the bow. The kit has the catapult rails, capstans and all sorts of vents molded into the deck, making normal masking techniques impossible. I've tried liquid mask, but the results were sub-par. Anyone have any quick fix suggestions? I was thinking some sort of foam or sponge-like material that I could just press down into the details... Jeff Herne -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: Moving models I'm always taking models to my local IPMS meetings, (they actually take place in the room next door to Alcoholics Anonymous, so you could deal with two addictions at the same time, but that's another story), and the method I use to carry them is as follows. I have a number of cardboard boxes. I use the trays that lettuces and tomatoes get delivered to supermarkets in; they are fairly shallow, rigid and stack well. In the bottom I've glued expanded polystyrene ceiling tiles, two layers thick, with PVA glue. Models of any shape can then be placed in the box and held in place with strategically placed cocktail sticks stuck into the tiles. I find this especially good for those things that dare not speak their name, you know, the ones with sticky out things at the sides and propellors on the front end rather than the back. I know, I know, it's obvious what you're all thinking. Please don't flame me; as I said, it's an addiction and I just can't help it! But at least I don't break things very often! Regarding moving house, I wouldn't let the removals men anywhere near my models. They'd go with me in the car, which is OK as I have relatively small collection, and the cat would be in a basket in the wife's car. Regards, David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: schiefet@cs.com Subject: Does Size matter? I seem to recall form Boot Camp, that the ship's flag - National Ensign and Jack - were sized in proportion to the ship. A carrier's flag would be much larger than a Mine Sweeper's flags. Does anyone have any information or sources of information on this? Thanks, Steve Pelham, NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Darren Subject: Re: Tightening rigging I've had good luck using a hair dryer on low speed, high heat to shrink my nylon rigging. Does the whole line at once avoiding hot spots. Start a few feet away and move closer until it starts to shrink (moving the dryer side to side slowly to prevent one area getting too hot), then pull back before other things get too hot. Do as many times as needed. Works great! Darren -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: Oscar At the Festival of the Sea I found and photographed OSCAR dummies on most of the ships present. Some were posted at rather interesting locations on most of the ships. On a German frigate I found him rather ingloriously stuffed headfirst into a locker with the Name "Ulf" chalked across his backside. I asked one of the crewmen who the sailor so honored was and he replied with a grin: "He used to be our cook." Looks like some things haven't changed even since I was in the service. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Subject: Re: USS Stennis/other CVN's I saw the NBC (not CBS) special on the USS Stennis as well. I have to say that I distinctly DO remember seeing numbers on the forward flight deck, but they were very faint. Simple outlines in very narrow lines of white. Wonder if there are any updated photos on the web anywhere so that we could verify one way or the other. Also noticed them parking an F-18 on the flight deck that was in aggressor camouflage. Interesting to see on a deployed warship. It does me good to see shows like that once in a while. I sit there and think "Maybe I should have stayed in", and then they get around to talking about the 18 hour work days, showing the crew sorting garbage, sweeping decks, scraping rust and shining a @#$@*!! chrome pole so the XO is happy, and I realize I'm glad I got out when I did. Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Re: USS Stennis numbers When ships combat ships visit Sydney I can look out from my office & see them come into Garden Island, I can usually tell the one one's from or just about going to combat as they have their numbers in "low vis" tone, maybe they are experimenting with no numbers or something as so no one can tell what carrier it is, say it passes by some unfriendlies .. not that I think that would make a difference, im sure any unfriendlies out there would target anything with a US flag on it, doesn't matter if it's a carrier, cruiser or replenishment/tanker ship -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "William B. Smallshaw" Subject: Siga MK 13 Torpedos The welcome addition for PT boat modelers arrived today, a couple of boxes of the new Siga Aircraft Weapons Set. The MK 13 torpedoes are a good start. They appear to be a little big in diameter (a problem that can be lived with) and they are long (45 scale inches). I had a similar problem with the length of some resin MK 13s I purchased in 1/32 scale a few years back. I suspect the aerial torpedoes came with an extra section that extended their length. My chopper and some glue will resolve the length issue in short order. The propellers, ugly is the only way to describe these. The MK 13 had a dual set of counter rotating propellers. This kit has a single set of what appear to be clover leafs. Watch out, someone is going to solve this with expensive photoetch! For the price, a good buy, to replicate these torpedoes in resin would be more expensive. Despite the draw backs they are a welcome addition for those who want to model the late war PT boats. Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "fredliedel" Subject: Someone to build Sydney? There was a posting a week or so ago asking if someone could build a Sydney? for a person in Queensland. I lost the address in a clean out of my e-mails. If the person is still interested could they contact me as i would like to do her. Regards Fred Liedel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Kathy/Pirie Sublett" Subject: Re: The color of cinnamon The Rennberg article is actually on American colors, and the one I noted is merely on a color chart. I hope I did not leave the impression it was a color actually used in this context. I was only speculating in my own mind that "cinnamon" might be a darker color - perhaps near burnt sienna - than we seem to currently imagine it. I am also willing to accept the possibility McCully was just lousy at describing colors. There is nothing rare in that, and we have been offered ample evidence on this list that people most familiar with a ship are unable to recall what it was painted. In fact, I was going to suggest that the Russian fleet's change in color couldn't have been totally improvised - too much paint involved - and that records might be somewhere available. On the other hand, it also occurred to me that the fleet did have white, buff (yellow ochre by another name), and black in great store. Try mixing those and you get gray olive or olive gray, however you decide to proportion the stuff. Following Falk Pletscher et al. I painted my new Gromoboi with Polyscale Pullman green - which is nothing more than a good old cheap 19th century machinery color - lightened a bit with white. It's going to do until something really, really better comes along. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: JohnVCP@aol.com Subject: Re: Flag Trivia To: Mike (NavyDaze) After hitting the "cram-it key" I realized I spelled Dummy with two "Ns"! We only put the CG Station's name on the PFD as we do not want to scare anyone!!! One amusing story - we once put "Charlie" offshore several miles for a SAR (search & rescue) exercise for the station personnel and never found "him"; as a nice boater saw him, picked him up and returned him to the station! In doing sign-offs for specialty courses, one of the practical demonstrations for Communications is to identify certain signal flags and my favorite question to ask is: "What color is Red Bravo"? The answer most received? Orange!!! John Heasel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mike Bartel Subject: 1:700 1938 HMS LION class BB There has been some interest in the 1938 cancelled Lion class British battle ship. I have some incomplete masters here for a 1:700 scale kit I was planning to release a few years ago. The masters are based on the drawing of the projected appearance of the class in 1938 featured and described in Garzke & Dulin's Allied battle ship book. The kit set consists of the following : Resin Parts Hull (a large, detailed, waterline hull w/main barbettes cast in place) 1 X A 16" Gun turret 2 X B and Y 16" Gun turrets Brass Parts 9 X turned brass 16" gun barrels You are all on your own for everything else. Due to the combination of high production costs and the extremely limited-interest nature of this ship (judged by the initial response I have gotten), the kit sets will retail for $95.00 each. Dealer inquiries are invited. All orders (including dealer orders) must be Prepaid. Shipping costs for direct retail sales are $4.50 for the first kit and $3.50 for each additional kit. Dealers should call for their shipping charges and information on dealer terms. IHP is NOT getting into the cancelled ship business. This kit does not carry a product number, nor will it be a regular catalogue item. No regular inventory of this item will be stocked at the factory. This offer is only for the 1938 Lion, and does not apply to any other discontinued IHP cancelled ships. ALL PRODUCTION OF THIS KIT IS STRICTLY SPECIAL ORDER AND CAST TO ORDER. PLEASE NOTE: If there is enough interest in this class, I might consider doing the final 1946 version of the Lion (963-foot hull, 12X16" guns). The hull is here and done already, and she would have used the same guns and turrets. If interested, please see the IHP website for ordering information at: http://ihphobby.tripod.com. Thanks, Mike Bartel IHP http://ihphobby.tripod.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: PE for Tamiya Prinz Eugen OK, Ship Modelers, it can now be told: Our own Peter Hall has just completed the master design for WEM PE 744, designed specifically for the Tamiya PRINZ EUGEN. Price will be 11.08 Pounds (about $15.70). There will be several parts on the fret for the other ships of the class, so that ADMIRAL HIPPER and BLUCHER can be converted out of this kit, though some hull reshaping will need to be done on HIPPER. The PE even includes relief-etched eagles for the stern! Take a look at: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/wembrass/wempe744.jpg Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Bill Gruner Subject: NNT 1:700 Goeben/Moltke IN STOCK We now have the long awaited NNT (Germany) 1: 700 resin kit of WW 1 German battlecruiser Goeben/Moltke in stock. It is an excellent kit complete with photoetch. Price is $75.00 + shipping. Also have re-stock of SMS Mackensen, also $75.00. Thanks, Bill Gruner Pacific Front Hobbies http://www.pacificfront.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume