Subject: SMML VOL 1662 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:12:09 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Ref material on HMS Imogen/Imogem 2: Re: 1/96 ladders 3: Interesting items on eBay 4: OH Perry Class Frigates 5: Re: British Ships 6: Few thoughts about the scale 7: Re: CVL book 8: Trumpeter's HH 65 dolphin 9: Re: CVL book 10: HMS Exeter 11: Re: What to use to rig IJN destroyer 12: Re: Few thoughts about the scale 13: latest catalogue from Squadron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: For Sale 1/350 USS Ingersoll 2: Re: Rigging/Haze Gray 3: Re: 1/96 ladders 4: Items I have for sale on eBay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Mike Kear" Subject: Ref material on HMS Imogen/Imogem I have had a visitor to my site www.modelwarship.com ask me for information and reference materials about HMS Imogen, and I'm hoping someone here can help him. He refers to the ship as HMS Imogem, but since English is not his first language, it's possible he means HMS Imogen isn't it? Anyway, here's what he's asking ..... >> The ship HMS Imogem is destroyer of class "I", laid down in 1936 and was commissioned in 1937, the Tribal class was its substitute, she assisted in sinking two German U.boats U 42 and U65. Was lost in a collision with the HMS Glasgow in 16th of July of 1940. The magazine Marine Modelling International of December 1998 published a news article on a model semi scale of this destroyer. I am a member of shipmodeller club in Salvador in the state of the Bahia. << Can anyone help? Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia www.modelwarship.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: Re: 1/96 ladders You might try Plastruct www.plastruct.com they carry plastic ladders in 1/100 including: CL-4 HO (1:100) LADDER WITH SAFETY CAGE CLS-4 HO (1:100) STYRENE SAFETY CAGE & LADDER KL-4 HO (1:100) ABS LADDER LS-4 HO (1:100) STYRENE LADDER Hope this helps. Matt Prager -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: paulship37@aol.com Subject: Interesting items on eBay Sailors to the End USS Forrestal NEW 2002 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532175979 WINGS OVER THE SEA: Naval Aviation History http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532160301 Ghost Cruiser HK 33 - J. H. Brennecke http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532154220 SOVIET NAVAL STANDARDS http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532148375 1940s Chrysler Tugboats/ Sea Mules book http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1095604761 Underwater Warriors One & Two Man Submarines http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532048791 GERMAN WARSHIPS 1815-1945. VOLUME TWO http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532141853 Maritime History of New York-WPA-1941 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1530884976 History of British Navy Aircraft Carriers http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531041588 GREAT NEW BOOK: AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS HORNET http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531050732 WORLD WAR II WAR UNDER THE PACIFIC BY WHEELER http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531203626 Military Combat Fleets Ships Navy Naval http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531249737 Military Combat Fleets Ships Navy Naval http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531249897 AKAGI KAGA HOSHO RYUJO IJN Warships WWII http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531266940 THE CONFEDERATE NAVY, A Pictorial History http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531342975 VICTORIAN EDWARDIAN MERCHANT SHIPS:OLD PHOTOS http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531837322 SHIPS AND AIRCRAFT OF THE U.S. FLEET FAHEY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531975230 No Higher Honor,Battle of Midway,USS Yorktown http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532027616 Aircrft Carrier Histry FLAT-TOPS & FLEDGLINGS http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532112197 Cruise of the Lanikai, Incitement to War. 1st http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1530780950 SUBS AND SUBMARINERS HC Book Submarines NAVY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531601056 H.M.S. BRILLIANT - Hardback Book http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1530830624 U.S. Navy Waterline Models 1947, 1st http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532181409 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Robert & Rose Brown Subject: OH Perry Class Frigates Hi all: I'm finishing up my OH Perry class frigate USS Clark, and I see on various websites that the ship was armed with Harpoon launchers. There aren't any on the kit and I can't figure out from any pictures where the launchers are. Anybody out there know where the Harpoon launchers on this class of ship are? Cheers Rob Hi Rob, I think the Harpoon uses the normal missile launcher and doesn't actually have a seperate launcher on the OHPs. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: British Ships Hi Gus, >> The cockpit green colours probably refer to either corticene or linoleum on the decks. If you got to ShipCamouflage.com site you will find the Snyder and Short colour chips with basic colours for these finishes. The cream is no doubt a suggestion for the teak decks. << Actually, the green probably refers to late-war or postwar Semtex, a troweled-on mastic material used to cover steel decks in the RN. RN Corticene was a chocolate brown. Depending on the ship and the time period, the cream could conceivably have also referred to early-war Semtex, which was a cream colour. But Bill is probably right in his post: they likely were referring to the teak decks--which we now have in our Colourcoats paints. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: Few thoughts about the scale Easy now people please, I am not trying to be controversial or promote a new trend in a kit market. My post was addressed more to the model makers than to the model buyers. I am more or a researcher than builder right now but I have done a few scratch build projects in the past and I have plans to do few more in the future (time and references permitting). I am not allergic to 1/350 scale but I personally find 1/400 or 1/500 one much handier and more managable. The problem with 1/500 is that you can't use parts or PE which are already on the market and that is why I tend to favour 1/400. So please don't tell me that I am being unrealistic or naive, just tell me what you think. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Michael C. Smith" Subject: Re: CVL book Marc, Glad you liked the book. There were other better detail photos of the Cabot in her final condition that were supposed to go in from the ECOSAT web site, but since they couldn't get us better copies, the publisher decided against using them - the photos from the web site just weren't good enough for publication - the only one we ended up using was the aerial of the partially scrapped carrier from last spring, since it was a rare cutaway (literally) of a carrier, showing the original cruiser deck, built-up hangar deck, and the construction of the hangar and flight deck. I also had close-ups of the bow I had taken in August 2000 before scrapping began, but they didn't add anything useful, so I didn't use them. (I also have several sets of photos detailing the port side in great detail, but, again, they would have been overkill, and many are available on the Internet). Re: Don Greer's "computer assisted" artwork, I haven't seen him work since the Essex book, and the front and back covers were wholly hand-painted back then. The inside spread, of course, has been completely computer generated for some time, and I can't tell you what a thrill it is to see the graphics people working on those "paintings" zooming in on large monitors to add weathering or shadows! But I noticed the same thing a couple of years back - that the back covers seemed to be based on photos, and I have no doubt that they are, but I don't know exactly how he does it. Could be some airbrushing over what is probably a large-scale print, but it is probably all on a computer - I just don't know. I had not heard of the new Faltum book on CVLs until it was mentioned on the list serv - isn't it odd that there were no books whatsoever on the class till April, 2002, then suddenly there are two? And no doubt both were written starting several years ago - I know mine was finished over two years ago and has been sitting in line waiting for a place in the publication schedule (obviously it had to be revised after the Cabot was scrapped). My book was actually "Indep. class carriers in action" until the publisher realized it actually covered the Saipan class as well, and changed it to "Light Carriers." Michael Smith Marshall, Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Trumpeter's HH 65 dolphin HI SMMLies, I know this is not a ship but they do operate from them in the Coast Guard so I can get away with this one. Trumpeter has released a new HH 65 Dolphin in 1:48 scale. It comes as a CG version so there is no scrambling for decals, comes with them. The most important reason for this note is the quick delivery of this kit. I seen it advertised in the new 2002 Trumpeter catalog back in Jan. Until then I never seen it before. It showed a picture of a photograph and not a finished model as some catalogs do. it had a caption NEW! next to it. So it is now here. The point is, When they advertised it, it happen and it was only four months from the first time I seen it till it was in my hands. Second point: Lets hope the Essex and Hornet will come just as quick. Way to go Trumpeter with that HH 65. Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: CVL book Hi SMMLies, About the new book on the CVL's I just picked up the Squadron book, pretty good, A few new photos I've never seen but that's all that maters to me with a Squadron book. Anyway a few weeks ago at a friends house he showed me a book on the two CVL's we loaned to France in the 50's. The USS Langley CVL 27 became the Lafayette and the USS Belleau Wood CVL 24 became the Bois Belleau. This book is written in French so I could not read it. However there were a few captions under the photos in English but not many. I do not know the publisher or author but there are allot of really good photos of both ships. Allot of good clear shots of details under the flightdeck overhang and uptake areas, place hard to see due to lack of good lighting. also there was a few in drydock showing the props , shafts and blisters. This is a good book just for the photos but goes for around $65. My friend said his son picked it up while he was in France. I'm lucky enough to be able to barrow it to copy the photos. When I do barrow this book I will post the author and publisher for all. I would say it is a great book if you can read French. Now it's off to Barnes and Noble to check out that other book on CVL's I just read about on the SMML. Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Andy Jones" Subject: HMS Exeter Hello all, I'm looking to build the old frog kit of HMS Exeter. Unfortunately being a devotee of that other navy--the colonial one on the other side of the Atlantic. I have no useful reference material on the Exeter. Can anyone please recommend a useful reference on this ship. I would prefer one that was reasonably easy to get hold of and one where I don't have sell the happy home to buy. also any ideas on etch brass? I know WEM, Tom's and GMM all do 1/500th scale generic sheets. Are any of these any use? All opinions welcome. Kind Regards Andy Jones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: What to use to rig IJN destroyer I'll tell you something much more fun than going into a fishing tackle shop. Fix a big cheesy grin on your face and walk into a ladies' hairdresser. Look for the youngest and most naive trainee hairdresser and ask her for some of the stuff that they use for hair extensions. It has to be the man-made fibre stuff, and preferably black. She'll probably be more embarrassed than you are when you tell her what it is for!! I asked for a few strands, just enough for HMS Hood, and came away with enough to do the whole US Navy!! Regards, David Griffith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Gmshoda@cs.com Subject: Re: Few thoughts about the scale On the subject of scales for predreadnought ships: The scale to use for ship models is something I have thought over quite a lot. I make paper card models but I do not make my model ships from kits, so I have a great deal of leeway when it comes to scale in modeling. I am now very interested in predreadnought although at first I was interested solely in dreadnoughts. After making a few models of random scales, I decided to use a consistent scale so that I could imagine how the ships I build would compare if placed side by side. I started at 1/450, but found that I would soon run out of space. Invincible, average size for a WWI capital ship at only 567 feet overall, measured 15 inches at 1/450 scale. As the drawing I was using was not very detailed, the final model was very unimpressive. Smaller scales require less detail for models to look good. I realized that Courageous (the large light cruiser) at 786 would be 20 inches long. Missouri (BB-63) would be almost 2 feet long if I ever got around to it (I'm pretty sure I won't). As a result, I switched to 1/550, which kept Courageous to 17 inches long with a respectable amount of detail. I do not know if 1/600 would have worked just as well. My smallest model, Oregon (BB-3) is a little over 7 inches long, which was almost too small for my liking. Models this short are not as impressive to look at as models around 9 inches or larger. My Connecticut (BB-18) at almost 10 inches looks like a more impressive model although the same skill level went into building both, which are both built to 1/550 scale using plans with similar levels of detail. Most predreadnoughts were about 350 to 450 feet long. 1/700 scale would make most predreadnought models 6 to 7.75 inches long. I do not think that 1/700 a particularly good scale for most modelers as the results generally do not look very real to me. There are a number of exceptional modelers who can make 1/1200 or 1/700 models that look realistic. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: latest catalogue from Squadron Thought I would share this one with you all... coming soon to Squadron a Type VIIc u-boat, only 1/32 scale & for those that feel the fancy resin pit road or those other kits are too expensive, well this kit is only going for USD$1,799.96 so that's only $3,362.52 Aussie hmm wonder how many 1/700 kits I could buy for that...probably the entire range..it includes 2 piece fiber glass hull halves, fully detailed resin & metal coning tower, white metal 88mm gun, full colour transfers 7.087" wide x 77.6" long & 15.4" high & also a special free freight in the USA if youorder it from Squadron... hey Shane/Lorna any chance of this being available @ Sandles? lol ...i just wonder, how many people would buy something like this, hmm Kerry Packer Rupert Murdock perhaps??????? & I wonder ho wmany wives would allow their hubby's to buy something like that & also where to put it?? over the bar, the mantle above the fire place perhaps???if your house is big enough, hey why not add a motor to it & take it out in the pool or the river, sink a few jet ski's etc.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: David Sepos Subject: For Sale 1/350 USS Ingersoll Dragon Models 1/350 USS Ingersoll. This is the Armored Box Launcher version for cruise missiles. Complete with GMM photoetch set! Rails, ladders, radars, helicopter rotors......... $47 (US) plus actual shipping cost to US or Canada only. Please contact me off site if interested. Box photo available. Thanks. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Rigging/Haze Gray >> I'm completing my first model, a skywave 1:700 IJN Destroyer. I'd appreciate any suggestions as to what to use for rigging and how to attach it. I have some fine stainless steel orthodontists wire but it frankly looks too heavy. Is a fine black thread a good idea? How is it secured. << Hi Rick, If you want the ultimate in fineness, we have lycra rigging material that is incredible: 5 meters for 2.50 Pounds. Attach it with a tiny bit of super glue and you'll think you've had a trained spider doing your rigging. >> I was wondering if anybody knows from which Testors line of Model Master paints both oils and acrylic which one of them have the best one to have simulated Haze gray. << Which Haze Gray? WW2 or modern? If WW2, the only accurate Haze Gray currently available is our Colourcoats US 05. If modern, it's coming soon in our Colourcoats line. Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: LHDockyard@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/96 ladders >> Need a Photo-etch source for ladders. I want to install a the ladder for the mast and also other areas on the ship. << Loyalhanna Dockyard has photo etched ladders in 1/96 scale. Please contact us for information so that you make select the proper one for your application. Our information is: Loyalhanna Dockyard 7527 Gilbert Road Bergen, NY 14416 585-494-0027 Don -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Mike Bartel Subject: Items I have for sale on eBay Hi everyone, I have the following ship-related items on eBay this week: 1:700 scale Tamiya Mogami and Tamiya Gneisenau 1:700 Matchbox USS Fletcher (2 unbuilt kits) 1:400 Heller ADMIRAL SCHEER Built-Up Model 1961 souvenir Menu from the liner SS United States Also, while cleaning out my stock, I found an extra 1:700 'Gille' never-built French battle cruiser kit. This kit has everything but the 6" guns. You could probably find or make those. Also, the hull is warped a bit but could be straightened in the usual manner. It's got no problems other than that. I will be putting this kit on eBay next week. Mike Bartel IHP http://ihphobby.tripod.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume