Subject: SMML VOL 1667 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:08:44 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Interesting items on eBay 2: Re: Scale: HO, what's with that? 3: Anchor chain markings 4: Misc 5: Re: USS Inchon to retire? 6: Re: tomorrow is ANZAC day for us Aussies & the New Zealanders 7: Re: the RAN and future ships 8: USS Inchon to retire 9: Re: Scale: HO, what's with that? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: 1/350 UNROTATED PROJECTILE MOUNTS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: paulship37@aol.com Subject: Interesting items on eBay Tait's Home Trade Guide Mates & Masters 1941 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1096380831 TAMIYA 1/700 Imp. Japanese Navy book 1/350 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531361153 EXCEPTIONAL 1943 BOOK ON OREGON SHIPBUILDERS http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532675528 Landing Force Manual US Navy 1920 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531426937 BRITAIN'S GLORIOUS NAVY 1942 H/b http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531543212 Marine Museums of The World/History/Nautical http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532699400 1934 Pop. Sci. Manual of SHIP MODEL MAKING http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532613833 Navy life in photos 1800s-1945+ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532616104 THE GERMAN NAVY IN WW2 - solid history of.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531479311 US Japanese Naval Combat War in the Pacific http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531921329 RABINOVICH THE BOATS OF CHERBOURG 1988 HCDJ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531623795 [WWII] MAPLE LEAF AGAINST THE AXIS [F/F] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1531485959 book: The WAR AT SEA 1939-1945 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532625690 The Navy And The Y Scheme 1944 Book http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1094429047 THE GREAT LAKES RED BOOK '45 Wyandotte Listed http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532638362 Gunboat! - Small Ships at War http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1532651957 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Edd Pflum Subject: Re: Scale: HO, what's with that? Dave wrote: >> Now, can somebody please explain the basis for 1/35 scale? 11/32" = 1' or 8.7mm = 1' Nothing "even" about either of these ratios. Why not 1/36 scale, at least that's 1" = 3'? 1/32 scale is even in that 3/8" = 1' and converts to 9.5mm = 1'. That scale had been around long before I saw the first armor appearing in 1/35 scale. Go figure........... :-) << This is a "Metric" scale. In English units, things are measured in Feet and Inches, a ratio of 1:12. Many of our scales are built upon this, the most obvious being !:12 scale (1 foot = 1 Inch.) In the Metric system, measurements are in Meters, with Centimeters and Millimeters as the sub-units (1:100 and 1:1000.) Therefore, when scaling subjects with Metric dimensions, even ratios are easier to convert. A 100 meter ship in 1:100 scale is 100 centimeters long. The European and Japanese model firms established standard scales close to the English ones, but in the even ratios the Metric systems favor. Thus 1:48 became 1:50, 1:96 became 1:100, 1:24 became 1:25, 1:720 became 1:700 and 1:32 became 1:35. Increased participation by the Japanese in world markets (and possibly modeler resistance) lead to their adoption of 1:72, 1:48 and 1:32 as standard scales in the aircraft world. In ships and armor, the dominance of the Japanese producers lead to modelers adopting the Metric scales as the standards, with other producers following their lead. Monogram used to have a series of 1:32 armor subjects, but these are seldom seen. Italieri and Revell still make 1:720 ships. Tamiya introduced 1:350 (twice 1:700) as the scale for their large, prestigious subjects, and the industry has followed suit. Edd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Doug Bauer" Subject: Anchor chain markings Does anyone know if the DKM used the same method of marking shots of anchor chain as does the US Navy? For example, a white detachable link with one red-painted link on either side indicates 15 fathoms....five white links shows 30 fathoms....one white surrounded by three blues on either side indicate 45 fathoms, etc. The mere fact that the colors used are red, white, and blue might necessarily preclude their use by the Kriegsmarine, I imagine. Doug Bauer Poway, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Misc USS Inchon to retire: The plans that I have seen, show a landing platform mounted on the aft section. If you have seen any photos of the cat that was used by the Aussies, I think they plan to extend it by some distance & flatten the rear area to be able to mount the flight deck..im not sure if they inted to have a hanger or just tie any helo's down. Flags on Subs: im not expert so im sure someone else will probably have a better comment than mine..i thought a flag on a sub would only be hoisted when coming in or leave a dock & out on patrol it would hope (& pray) for any friendly planes to recognise it as a friendly or fire signal flares to identify it.. & if none of that worked...DIVE DIVE DIVE all hands rigg for silent running!!!!! or these days don't some US subs now carry stingers... I seem to re-call a plan to mount a stinger canister on some part of the periscope to be able to take out any aircraft -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Dave Shirlaw Subject: Re: USS Inchon to retire? There are no plans to replace Inchon. LHD 8 will replace whichever LHA is in the poorest shape as they are rapidly becoming worn out. DDG 91 onwards will be able to carry the minesweeping version of the SH-60R helo. Taiwan is trying to purchase the MH-53 minesweeping helos currently in service when they are all retired by 2005. Amphibs will be temporarily assigned to MCM support on an infrequent basis; this was tested on USS Tarawa last year. Dave Shirlaw Editor, Seawaves Magazine www.seawaves.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Mike Kear" Subject: Re: tomorrow is ANZAC day for us Aussies & the New Zealanders Thanks, Andrew. I do a bluegrass radio show every week on Sydney's Hawkesbury Radio, which is basically a RAAF town, and my show is rebroadcast on bluegrasscountry.org .. the internet's no7 radio station. My next show is on Anzac day, and I'm putting together a special show, mostly because the vast majority of the audience is in the USA and Europe (about 20,000 listeners a week) and I'm going to spend quite a bit of the show explaining what ANZAC day is, and what it means to Aussies. This will come in very handy. Thanks. IF any listers here want to hear the show it'll be on http://bluegrasscountry.org in 3 weeks. Lest we forget, indeed. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia www.modelwarship.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: MEDWAY Subject: Re: the RAN and future ships Rumour has it that the the US has offered two Arleigh Burkes to Australia at a very cheap price. A thank you for Afghnistan support??? Michael Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Peter Subject: USS Inchon to retire >> How on earth would a high speed cat carry a flight of minesweeping helos, or serve as a mother ship to MCMs and MCSs? Perhaps once LHD-8 is built they'll modify/convert one of the LHAs, since the projected requirement for LHA/LHD is 12. << The high speed CAT referred to may be the couple that the Marines are using out of Okinawa. They are commercial ships on lease, and are used to ferry the Marines to exercises. They are not intended to be used in combat but instead serve as a cheaper, faster way to move Marines and gear around to various exercises in the neighborhood than all those expensive haze gray things they usually use :) Best wishes, Peter http://www.travelwithyourkids.com "Real travel tips from Real Parents" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: Scale: HO, what's with that? >> Now, can somebody please explain the basis for 1/35 scale? 11/32" = 1' or 8.7mm = 1' Nothing "even" about either of these ratios. Why not 1/36 scale, at least that's 1" = 3'? << 1/35 started in Japan and, consequently, is a metric scale. I suppose it started as being twice as large as their 1/70 scale kits. Some older Hasegawa "1/72" (and others) kits can be found marked as 1/70 scale, much like a good number of older "1/48" kits are really "1/50". 1/35 was the "metric equivalent" to some of the older 1/36 kits and was also larger than the emerging 1/40 scale standard from Revell and Monogram. Tamiya has the oldest 1/35 armor kit as far as I can tell using the Burns guide, and they pumped out a lot of tanks in the early years to establish the scale. The car guys have it worse, they still have to deal with 1/24 & 1/25 car kits and most generic accessories are marketed in both scales. This also explains why the 1/350 scale is out there, it is twice the scale of 1/700. The 1/700 Waveline series scale was chosen because of its nearness to the scale of 1/720 which was starting to dominate US/European small scale ship kits and the ships can still be posed next to each other as most people will never notice that one is just about 2% smaller. James Corley AAA Hobby Supply email: aaahobby@earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "WEM" Subject: Re: 1/350 UNROTATED PROJECTILE MOUNTS Hi David, We have a set of U.P. launchers in 1/350 scale (and 1/700 scale for the Tamiya Hood and POW). These were patterned from a set of plans drawn specially for WEM by John Lambert, and are totally accurate representations of the subject. In 1/350, you get 5 for 2.95 Pounds, and in 1/700 scale, you get 3 for 1.57 Pounds. When building the POW, you may choose to build it using the WEM 1/350 KGV Class Battleships set at 27.66 Pounds, product WEM PE 3519. This is etched in two sheets (different thicknesses of brass), and will detail any ships of the class. Sheet One http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/wembrass/wempe3519a.jpg Sheet Two http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/wembrass/wempe3519b.jpg If you have any further queries, please contact me. All The Best, Caroline Snyder White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume