Subject: SMML VOL 1673 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:27:40 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: merchant ship funnel insigna/color 2: Fine Art Models Bismarck 3: USS Oklahoma City (CLG-5) 4: What is an AGF? 5: Re: Flags for U.S.Navy submarines 6: Roland Smith 7: Re: Inchon 8: Pit-Road Neosho Oiler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Craig Palmer" Subject: merchant ship funnel insigna/color Hello, I am trying to find a site that show's merchant ship's funnel insigna/color.Any help ....... thank you Craig Texas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Ken LeClair Subject: Fine Art Models Bismarck Hello All, speaking of Fine Art Models, they claim they used the original blueprints or something to that effect to create their 1/192 model of the Birmarck. Considering this, I decided to use the photos on their site as a reference for my 1/350 Bismarck. Can anyone tell me if the Fine Art Bismarck is correct?? Regards Ken LeClair, MS HMCS Protecteur Victoria, BC, Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Glenn and Kelly Neklason" Subject: USS Oklahoma City (CLG-5) Mike I'll accept your explanation of proudly instead of quickly. It is entirely correct. That old ship did have pride. I was at Mare Island the day she was towed to Hawaii on her way to the Sinkex. I was the last civilian (excluding the NISMF guys) off the ship in the continental US before she left the pier. When they went to pull her away from the pier, the ship wouldn't budge. It was as if the old girl didn't want to go. They tugged and tugged and the ship wouldn't move. As it turns out, she had a draft of 25 feet and the water was 20 feet deep. They had to wait two hours for high tide before she could be pulled away. As to the flag, I can't say for certain if she went down with colors flying. As an ex-naval vessel, I don't think she was allowed to fly the flag. However, while the ship was stopped in Hawaii, there was a special last flag raising ceremony on the ship, rendered with honors. This was as a direct result of the actions of Rebecca Johnson, who searched in vain for the ship her late father served on (he died before she was born). She received the flag, along with a letter from a Pacific Fleet admiral. She then presented the flag to the USS Oklahoma City association at their 1999 reunion in Norfolk, VA. Glenn E. Neklason -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: What is an AGF? I just got a real nice ships hat from my sons friend. It's from the USS LaSalle AGF 3. This is a new designation to me. He (my son) asked me what class of ship it was and the AGF just drew a blank. I guess I'm getting old at 47, but can someone tell me the class of ship the LaSalle is and what an AGF is? Thanks in advance guys, and I'll see all of you in VA Beach. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. Purchase on line with your Visa/Master Card/Amex/Discover http://okclive.com/flagship/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Flags for U.S.Navy submarines Sorry Franklyn, I guess we all got caught up on the INCHON thing - anyway I had to asked the same question about flags on subs when I was doing a painting of an old Fleet boat. Soooo, I went up on one of the sub forums and asked that question - after a lot of flaming and razing the answer was NO they never flew any flags as they did not want to be recognized. Supposedly the Navy knew which sub was operating in which area (that was not 100% fool proof). Also they had no numbers on the hull or the conning tower as they were painted out - again for the same reason. I also asked about more modern subs and got the same answers. In fact something that is interesting on some of the more modern subs that you see in port with their numbers on the sails - they are not painted on but are actually paper cutouts that were guaranteed to fall off or devolve once they were out to sea. Not sure what era that was but suspect it was during the "Cold War" era. Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviation Artist http://www.navydaze.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: Roland Smith Hi All, I feel that I must on to you a communique that was sent to me recently from Maritine Books concerning Roland Smith of Naval Video Time Capsules fame. >> Dear Customer, We regret to pass on the news that Roland Smith -the founder and owner of NVTC videos - died in March. Roland’s small business goes back some 16 years when, with a young relative, he visited the RAF museum and noticed their shop was heavily stocked with aviation videos from World War II. Over subsequent weeks he attempted to purchase similar material covering the role “his service’ - the Royal Navy —played during WWII but he was soon to find out so very little existed. He soon decided there was little left for him to do but to start the long search for naval film shot during the war and start assembling video tapes himself. His 3 years RN service (as a Telegraphist) whetted his appetite for naval history and he has spent the last 16 years of his life locating any naval film he could find -from official and unofficial sources. Much was taken, highly unofficially, by service personnel during the war against all regulations. He set himself the target of producing a dozen one hour tapes and he was able to do just that before his death. We now have all the remaining stock of his tapes from his widow and initially simply sell the tapes we have. (They are all listed on page 2 of the Maritime Advertiser enclosed). We also have a small supply of these tapes in NTSC format for our overseas readers who need their videos in this format... At the moment it is “first come. . .first served” for these remaining tapes. We will be talking to Roland’s widon when these tapes have all been sold to decide the way forward - to decide if we should make more tapes from his master copies or call it a day. Thank you on behalf of his widow for the support you have given to Roland over the years - some 20,000 of his tapes have been sold which have obviously made all his researches worthwhile. He has spent an amazing amount of tine on this personal project to bring them to you, We look forward to hearing from you if you need any more of his tapes to complete your collection. << For all we WWII - RN/Commonwealth modellers this is a great loss and we must all feel grateful for the wonderful service Roly performed on behalf of historians and ship modellers alike World wide. Regards Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo kupu kaore e taea te karo (Te reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: Inchon Hi SMMLies, Besides the two different resin LPH kits you still have the old Aroura kit in 1:600 of the Guadalcanal. It isn't the greatest of kits, rather poor really but it will give you overall affect if your just looking for the visual shape of an LPH. Since each LPH had their own little differences you would have to modify of course. Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "William B. Smallshaw" Subject: Pit-Road Neosho Oiler The Hobby Link Japan website is showing a new Hi-Mold kit from Pit-Road of the USN oiler Neosho. Has anyone seen this kit and be able to provide comment. Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume