Subject: SMML VOL 1680 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 13:40:20 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Washtech.com 2: Re: Squadron Putty: Green or White? 3: Micro - tips for model putty 4: Re: Brass Name Plates 5: Re: Just another day on the river 6: Paint adhesion problem 7: Re: Just another day on the river (towboat) 8: More Arkanasas Color Questions 9: Re: Just another day on the river 10: Re: Just another day on the river 11: Re: Brass Name Plates 12: Re: tug boat 13: more news from garden Island -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: New Model Ship Site & Message Board 2: Re: Brass Name Plates 3: New kits from WSW/B-Resina -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Washtech.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5236-2002Apr29.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Squadron Putty: Green or White? >> Word of caution on the Automotive putties - not sure what brand I used, but I once put some lead shot into the nose of a phantom for weight and then added some automotive putty to hold it all in place - anyway talk about a droop snoot. Melted that sucker til it touched the deck - don't think there was any heat, must have been a reaction between the putty and the plastic. << Most, if not all such putties are laquer based, which is a pretty hot solvent that cures through evaporation. Placing it in a constrained area that doesn't have a place to vent is not a good idea. Best way to use these putties is in thin coats which will dry much faster in any event. To hold weights superglue or epoxy will be better choices; both will generate heat to some extent while curing, but a small amount should not effect the surrounding plastic. Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto Maritime Photography www.warshipphotos.com Order via our online catalog...now taking credit cards via Paypal Warship Models Underway www.warshipmodelsunderway.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: david_l._miller@ccmail.wiu.edu Subject: Micro - tips for model putty Mike Settle, I found the metal tips in the craft section of our Wal-Mart, in the fabric paint area. I also found some in the craft paints for making fake stained glass. They were on a small bubble card and cost about 2$. There were four(?) tips in the pack, ranging in size from about 1/64 to 3/32. They make good glue applicator tips, also. They are threaded, so they screw on to the tip of the cone tipped craft paint and glue applicator bottles. You can use a piece of wire to block the tip for storage. I hope you can find them at your Wal-Mart. They are not a major craft item, even though they are very useful. I tossed the package, so I do not know the brand name. I will check for you the next time I go out to Wal-Mart. I first found these tips at Hobby Lobby in a packet with three empty applicator bottles, and tip wires. This was in their craft paint area, also. I bought the last pack (7$). Of course, I tossed the packet, too. I do not think they re-ordered this item, as they did not have more when I checked here a few weeks ago. Good luck in finding them, I have found them to be quite useful. And to Mike Donegan: a droop snoot huh? Would have worked well on a P-38, too. Oh well.. I have been trying to get some 3M Blue filler, which is acrylic base. Most of the other puttys (including Squadron's I think) contain plastic dissolving and etching solvents that help them adhere to the plastic. Great for filling little gaps in a model, but not for filling the entire nose cavity of a Phantom. I had a boyhood friend who emptied nearly a whole tube of plastic cement into the nose of a model F-80 to secure the weights. Same result - after an hour, he had a puddle of plastic. Live and learn! Dave Miller Macomb, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Percy_John@emc.com Subject: Re: Brass Name Plates >> I have a very nice brass plate which cost me all of about $5.00 - an engraved plate would have cost ten times that and not looked much better. << I hate to say this, and I don't mean to knock your effort (or info), but I recently bought a brass name plate (about 4x6 inches), with 3 lines of text (about a dozen words), their new USN crest, and it had raised 'knobs' along the border for about $20 from Things Remembered. Looked pretty nice next to the 1/700 DDG I made. Well worth the saving in time and effort in doing it myself. I mean, 15 hrs x min wage is what, $70? Plus all the equipment and chemicals (and dangers therein)? I don't think you really saved yourself any money. Heck of a gain in experience, for sure, but not very cost efficient. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Tom Kremer Subject: Re: Just another day on the river >> Please, look at http://koti.mbnet.fi/~soldier/towboat.htm for tugboat pictures. Is it a hoax? << No hoax. I read somewhere (and lost the URL) an explanation of the events from an insider... you can see in the picture that the lift portion of the bridge is in the up position, the tugboat simply lost control in the strong flood currents & missed. The explanation also noted that the tug carried a lot of concrete ballast in the bilge & was self righting past 90 degrees. Tom K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Tom Kremer Subject: Paint adhesion problem I have been having a problem when trying to brush paint Tamiya paints (the "new formula" thinned with the Tamiya X-20A thinner) over Floquil spray enamel light grey primer. The paint doesn't spread or adhere worth a darn. Is there a known incompatability here? Any suggestions? Tom K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Re: Just another day on the river (towboat) alec@radmail.rad.co.il (Alex Kravitz)wrote: >> Please, look at http://koti.mbnet.fi/~soldier/towboat.htm for tugboat pictures. Is it a hoax? << Alec, it is very much a real incident, which happened in 1978 or 1979! If you go to Google.com and search for towboat, you will see that these pictures have been reproduced on many web sites. Go to Snopes.com (an internet debunking site) and here is what they say: http://www.snopes.com/spoons/photos/towboat.htm The second explanation is supposedly from a Captain who made the transition under the bridge the correct way, just before the boat in question! This site combine the pictures with both explanations of what happened, as well as the reason for the barge drop maneuver: http://www.onr.com/user/rleo/More/towboat.htm The boat in the first picture is not the one going under the bridge. It is another boat waiting its turn to do the "barge drop, shuffle over to the span opening, pass through, and pick the barges up" maneuver. The boat in the rest of the pictures didn't back up enough to make it over to the far side (away from the photographer) where he could have cleared the bridge with no problem. Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum Quincy, Massachusetts, USA http://www.uss-salem.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Fritz Koopman Subject: More Arkanasas Color Questions Thanks for the responses guys! much apreciated: At this point I've kinda come to the conclusion that she was definately in two tones at the beginning of '44 for the invasion on Normandy. John Sheridan Mentioned: >> I don't think so unless she was undergoing post refit trials and was only half painted at the time. What it looks to me is that the photo might be mis-labeled and is really ARKANSAS in her 1942 fit. Note in the picture she is not carrying the SK2 radar on the main mast and the gun tub layout is slightly different than the 1944 S 21 photos. << I have to admit here, that the pixelated computer photos are not helping that much for the points of discussion, but the photo is definately early '44, as the SK-2 is there. In the photo, its being seen end on, with the result that it only shows up as a thin blurry trapezoid on the mainmast (the one in the back). A better copy of the photo can be found in US BATTLESHIPS by Garzke/Dulin (sp?) and the SK is more readily visible there. (dont have the book at work so if you'd like a page number let me know and I'll check it out tonight). As for the AA tub differences with the later photo's, as I mentioned, there was an AA fit change made durring sept/oct. The MS 21 Photos were taken oct/nov, and the changes are consistent with the Sept refit after she returned from D-Day. But the Arrangement in the early photo (pre sept/nov.)maches up exactly eith the GA plans from floating drydock which (it appears) IS used to create the kit. But another reason I'm now quite certain of the two tone scheme is that last night I was looking at my old and battered copy of US BATTLESHIPS in ACTION (Squad Sig. Publications) Again, I dont have the page number handy but could get it. Any how ... Its the same photo as this one: http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013326.jpg Except that its enlarged, and, while grainy, It still has about twice the resolution of website pic. And it too shows that the color of the hull up to the sheer line is a darker shade than the superstrcture. You may be able to see it in the web photo, but its not as clear as in the book. This photo is definately early '44 (D-Day invasion).Again, as in the kit, the SK-2 is on the mainmast. So now I have a new question. The Arkster is in two tone for Normady, but is it MS 12 or an improper MS 22. Occasionaly ships did not always paint the upper edge of the Ms 22 perfecly level. Could the Sailors have taken a little more liberty with it and applied it like an Ms 12? Mr. WRPRESSINC mentions: >> Could be Measure 18 << Could someone tell me the setup on Measure 18? Id be very interested to see if it matches the observations.. Thanks all again Fritz Koopman P.S Hi there Sheridan! Hows the Mass drydock and forward air defense photos going? I figured you'd have your hands full trying to scan those! :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: Re: Just another day on the river Just another day on the river is not a hoax, but it happened about 30 years ago. It was all explained in great detail in some magazine article recently, but I tossed the Xerox just yesterday! Can't remember where it was published. Soundings? Ulrich Rudofsky -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: Re: Just another day on the river I did not located the article that I read regarding this strange case of the tug roll-over and the family's dispute over the publications of these old pictures. But for the rest of the story take a look at: http://www.netcopspsi.com/temp/towboat.htm Ulrich -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: royrichey@att.net Subject: Re: Brass Name Plates Most places that sell the circuit board etch also sell a resist pen. With it you can fill in or free hand. Roy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Re: tug boat was this guy trying out for a new Bruce Willis or Nicholas Cage movie... hey how old is sliding a motor bike under a truck or something...now this guy is proving you can do the same thing for a tug boat... imagine using a tug boat to chase bad guys hmmmmmm, lol I wonder if he might the 3rd owner of the US lottery winning ticket or has he taken up drinking & smoking to calm his nerves.. bet a few back slaps & choice swear words were said.. hey no need to go to Disneyland now!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: more news from garden Island hmm wonder if this makes me a spy, just as well I don't work in Greece then! well anyhow, was just looking out the office window..YES I DO SOME WORK... SOME.. well anyhow, looks like someone or maybe it was a practise or what,,,, but I noticed all this yellow smoke, so a rescue flare must have been dropped into the water from HMAS KANIMBLA & a Navy police boat appears to be towing it away from the side of the ship.. It has now towed it away from the ship & now left it in the middle of the bay where the ship is moored... looks funny with all that orange smoke from that flare -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: VonsGiftWorld@aol.com Subject: New Model Ship Site & Message Board Hello Everyone, I would like to take a moment and introduce Model Fleet, a new message board with several Forums specific to Ship Modeling. So take a moment to check us out. The Board is brand new, so drop a post in any Forum you would like to help get us started and enjoy. We want to keep Ship modeling fun. Link: http://pub34.ezboard.com/bmodelfleet Best Regards, Dan von Gartzen Model Fleet Host -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: Re: Brass Name Plates Hello All, I will be producing brass name plates with .008" thick brass sheets. These will be done by the navies and the time frames. So far these artworks for the navies done and ready to go to the etchers are: IJN aircraft carriers WW2, RN Battleships WW2, Italian Navy WW2,and US navy Battleships of WW2. The rest will follow shortly. I will also be producing brass sheets for "years" to accompany these plates. I guess this is also the introduction of my company "Navalis". I will be producing PE sets for mainly 1/1250, 1/700 and other scales as I see it needed. My first set is 1/1250 scale small ratlines. This set is ready to go. Reviews will appear shortly on different sites and magazines. Next two sets are at the etchers, which are 1/1250 large ratlines and the US radars WW2. RN radars WW2 are being prepared. I have a long list of projects that are not covered so far by the well known manufactureres, but I will mainly be focusing on the Italian and the French navy and generic sets in 1/700. Best Regards, Sami Arim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: rms Subject: New kits from WSW/B-Resina Please check out our web site for great prices on all WSW and B-Resina 1/700 resin ship kits and accessories: www.wic.net/~rms/ New stuff available and not yet listed on the web site: WSW 700-19; Potemkin, Russian battleship, 1905 $49.00 BR 719; HMS Vanguard, battleship, 1946 $65.00 I have just received a fax from WSW and the following is listed as a new release for May 2002: WSW 700-42; Schleswig-Holstein (1939) $49.00 Also, the merchant ship set (1 cargo ship, 1 oiler, 2 tugs) is listed on the accessories page (that is, not on the ship page). And finally, all of the accessories listed at $6.50 have been reduced in price to $6.00. I will fax a purchase order to WSW in Germany on Monday, 6 May 2002. Questions/orders? Please contact me off list: rms@wic.net That is all. Thanks! Lisa D. 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