Subject: SMML VOL 1692 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 00:13:28 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: household stuff used for models 2: Re: CVEs as ferries 3: CVEs as ferries 4: Bluejacket's Manual 5: Re: ESSEX Class Question 6: Re: ESSEX Class Question -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: household stuff used for models Was wondering what stuff people use that is around the house, particulary the garage to help spruce up or work on the kits... I have heard people using automotive primer on metal parts, & automotive putty (very carefully cuz it cooks the plastic right?)..Just thought it would be interesting to find out what other people use..myself..using johnsons floor wax as a good gloss coat on my kits..use liquid nails as a heavy duty adheasive & that can also double in some areas as a putty, now starting to experiment with shelley's no more gaps..good liquid style of putty..so far getting mixed results, if done carefully you can get a good filled seam on join gaps etc. Also was wondering how many coats of varnish like humbrol gloss cote etc do people put on..mine is usualy only 1 coat ( know I should put 2 or more eg 1 gloss & 2 dull or something like that depending on how glossy & worn the paint job etc ) , but was just curious to see what other people do regards Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: CVEs as ferries Thanks all for the info on the mothballed ferries (CVEs) I guess with us history folk (meaning all of you too) that it is hard for us to accept other uses for ships and especially when they are not used to their full capabilities with all their weapons or aircraft - In the later I am referring of course to the USS FORESTALL when she was used to transport "Grunt" stuff just before she was decommissioned. And sort of with my old ship the KITTY HAWK - thought that would be the "kiss of death" for her but I see she is back in Japan. Anyway thank you all for the input - I have said it before that I have always thought a rusting, faded out, mothballed ship might be an interesting model - this might be a great example as it would still be active - but I do not think they make a model yet of that CVE class (i.e.: Cape Esperance} OK so I like the unusual models - Hey, anyone want to do the KEARSARGE as a Crane Ship - now that would be a very unusual model - could be a show winner to you all that enter shows! (shudder!!) what a headache project that would be! Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE - Naval & Aviation Artist http://www.navydaze.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: CVEs as ferries The CVEs were used as aircraft ferries for quite a long time. Decades, in fact. In September 1966 my Army unit flew its UH-1 helicopters on a mass three-day cross-country ferry flight from Ft. Knox, Kentucky, to Stockton Army Depot in California. There they were preserved and cocooned, then placed on a World War II escort carrier, the former USS BRETON, CVE-23, now the USNS BRETON, AVG-23 (aircraft transport), for the ferry trip over the Pacific Ocean to the former Republic of South Vietnam. If you have the interest, and perhaps would like some amusement, you can read about this flight at the Web site for the 17th Air Cavalry, the Ruthless Riders, at: http://www.ruthlessriders.net Click on the red and white cavalry flag with A/7/17 on it (A Troop, 7th Squadron, 17th Air Cavalry Regiment), then click on "Read the Steinbrunn Letter". (ah, to be young and senseless again....) Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Nautical Research Guild -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Bluejacket's Manual I am looking for a U.S.Navy book known as "The Bluejacket's Manual", distributed to enlisted men who aspired to promotion, of WW 1 era (1917 or so). It is a sort of condensation of common and useful U.S.Navy Regulations. Any leads will be appreciated. Franklyn aka fkbrown@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: ESSEX Class Question Hi David, Whether or not the undersides of overhanging structures were countershaded (painted white) depended on the camouflage measure being used. You can find information on the use of countershading/camouflage measures on the Ship Camouflage site: http://www.shipcamouflage.com Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: ESSEX Class Question >> I've been looking for some information regarding the color of the undersides of exterior walkways and exposed overheads. Were they white or camouflage colored? The only one I've seen is the Lex in Corpus Christi, TX but I doubt that it is the same as the WW II colors. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. << Dave, It all depends on the scheme you want to represent. The dazzle schemes of WW2 (ms 32/33) called for the overhangs to be countershaded white (untinted) but color photos of other ships have shown that rule wasn't always followed as sometimes 5-P Pale Gray or 5-L Light Gray was used IMO, while the "calmer" schemes (ms 20/21) called for the horizontal surfaces to be painted a particular color with no distinction being made for top or bottom. Postwar, everything was the same color, Haze Gray, which varied depending on the time frame. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume