Subject: SMML VOL 1714 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:59:37 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: What is this ship? 2: Re: Lindberg Tug Detail parts 3: Re: Old Shells 4: Re: Old ship relics 5: Ship relics continued 6: Re: Ship Relics 7: Stanchions 8: Fleet Week festivities secure in New York Harbor 9: Gunze Sangyo Kure Arsenal Paint 10: Hobby Shops 11: Re: quick question 12: Ship Relics 13: Ship relics 14: Lindberg Tug: Detail sets? 15: US Navy Lettering -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Fun for WWII Navy Ship Builders -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Brad Daws" Subject: What is this ship? I was fortunate enough to be in Portsmouth last week so I looked in on HMS Victory as I had never done so before. While I was there I saw what looked like an Invincible class carrier, but I don't know which one. The only marking I could see was "R06" on the starboard side of the island. Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me exactly which ship this is? Thanks in advance, Brad -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "James M. Pasquill, II" Subject: Re: Lindberg Tug Detail parts Sheepscot Scale Models sells a PE set for the Walther's HO scale tug. It includes ladders, stairs, and railings. Much of it is adaptable to the the Lindberg tugs. Crow River sells white metal detail parts for tugs including a pilot house instrument set, fire hoses, life boats, davits, etc. Bluejacket will sell you you separately the PE set from their Lackawanna steam tug kit. It includes a "wood" pilot house, doors, coal shoot covers, and other parts. JP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Subject: Re: Old Shells I don't have any old shells, but I do have several casings and the feed linkage from a CIWS gun. The assembly is just long enough to link together and form a nice circular pencil holder. It was my "going away" present from the CIWS guys when I left the Navy and the Normandy back in '94. Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Old ship relics This may not quite qualify, but I have a small practice bomb used by the USN fleet air arm for practice dive bombing in the early 1930s. It is solid cast iron, is two inches maximum diameter (is sort of tear-drop shaped), is eight inches long, and weighs three pounds. There are four fins incorporated in the casting, and a central hole almost 1 inch diameter all the way from the nose to the tail. A shotgun shell filled with a flah powder, with impact detonater, was placed in the center hole. The old Squantum Naval Air Base (in Quincy, Mass.) was on the waterfront, with a pile of rocks off shore. On practice days a picket boat would go out and keep boaters away, and the swept-wing biplanes (Curtis Hell-Divers) would go up and dive bomb the rocks. The flash powder would ignite when the bomb hit either water or rocks. Sighting stations on land would spot the hit by triangulation, and as an imaginary zone was created around the pile of rocks, some flashes that didn't actually occur on the rock pile itself would count as having hit a ship. When there were no flight operations, we kids used to row out to the rock pile and scrounge any whole bombs we could find that had not shatttered on impact. Those that had hit the water became buried in the mud, and may still be there. Recently I saw a short piece about antiques, on television, recently and someone had one of these bombs, and was touting it as a Viet Nam era bomb!!!! Eight inches long and two inches diameter three pound solid cast iron (less the one inch cored hole) bomb ????? Sheesh !!!!!! Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Jeff Herne, NJAHOF" Subject: Ship relics continued I have the following: A section of deck planking from the USS Ling. A section of the original pine decking from USS Intrepid. A piece of rusted metal (a large rust flake actually) from the USS Enterprise A piece of teak from the USS NJ and USS Iowa A watertight door dog from the USS Forrestal The stern name plate of the Enterprise is in a park in NJ...the Iowa teak and Forrestal dog came from a ceremony I attended aboard the Forrestal, we crossed over the Iowa to get to her, they were in Philly at the time. Intrepid deck came from a volunteer friend, the Ling was a gift from the former director. I have a friend of mine who has a piece of the Arizona, he was a dockworker at Pearl in '42-43, that will eventually end up in the collection as well. Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Bruce Ross" Subject: Re: Ship Relics I have a couple of items, really don't know if the first qualifies as a "ship relic". It's a 3" practice round. Same dimensions as a really 3" round, has a metal butt plate and nose cap and is weighted to be the same, the rest of the body is wood. Found it in an antique store listed as a 50 cal tank shell. The other is a battle latern that is clearly stamped 1943. When I got it, it still had the original light bulb in it. I haven't tried to light it up I'm afraid that it'll blow that old bulb. Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Rob Mills Subject: Stanchions I am building a 1/4 scale of a 265ft ferry built in Rotterdam in 1923. The vessel was named the Caribou and used by the Newfoundland Railway on the voyage to Nova Scoptia until torpedoed and sunk in 1942. I desperately need help with the stanchions - how to build them or where to find a commercial source. Total length from deck to caprail is 20mm. They are 3 ball stanchions with an extension for a caprail - the extension is the problem, I can find 3 ball but none with the caprail piece. Also around the stern I need four ball stanchions and I can't find any mention of these anywhere. If I could find a source of fourball I could grind the top ball off for the areas that need the caprail extension piece If I can't find a source for these pieces I will have to build them. Can anybody please help with a source or suggestions on construction? Thanks for any help. Darryl -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Fleet Week festivities secure in New York Harbor http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020520-8773712.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Senkan@aol.com Subject: Gunze Sangyo Kure Arsenal Paint Does anyone know where I can get my hands on this paint? Ken Hamilton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Ken LeClair Subject: Hobby Shops Hello Everyone, I'm just 2 days from going to sea again and would like to get as much info on good hobby shops in the following ports; -Honolulu -Singapore -San Diego Regards, Ken LeClair, MS HMCS Protecteur Victoria,BC,Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Filipe C. Ramires" Subject: Re: quick question Hi there Andrew Jones said: >> I have the WEM Kure grey , now that would appear to cover all the IJN ships that according to the box art are in the dark grey..so all/most destroyers & most of the cruisers (Yubari /nagara (?) ) right?? << I didn't try WEM Kure yet but you should take into account the following. I don't know what ship are you building but make sure that it was built in the Kure yards. Naval yards had different types of grey. There isn't much difference but you never know! In my humble opinion I don't pay much attention on that because I normally weathered a lot my models so the original grey practically disappear. Just my 2 cents word. Regards. Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Kevin Surjan" Subject: Ship Relics Hi all, A bit more on this ship relics theme. A long time ago, back when I was in primary school I notice a small piece of twisted metal that was had been framed and placed on the school honor board in a prominent position. I didn't take much notice of it at the time until later I discovered that it was in fact a piece of funnel from the HMAS Sydney that had been damaged by shrapnel after its action with the Italian cruiser Bartolomeo Colleoni in 1940. It had been presented to the school (which is located in the port of Fremantle) in early 1941. Last I remember it still belongs to the school and still holds pride of place. Regards, Kevin Surjan Perth, Western Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: CaptainOD@aol.com Subject: Ship relics I enjoyed seeing that others collect ships relics, re junk. With over 30 years in service I managed to find something from just about every port, ship and aircraft that I flew, shell cases, sights, clocks, sticks etc. But the best find were solid teak doors, about 150 pounds each with full bronze portholes, hinges, and attached metal hooks and other "dog" attachments. I got them because they were being burned to collect the bronze. A friend who is a Baltimore Harbor pilot and I found out that a local scrap yard had a weekly bonfire of all wooden items scraped from the breakers. He and I got a couple of cases of beer, National Bo I think and some cheap hard liquor, went to the yard, gave it to the guys in charge of the bonfire and we hauled out 6 of these things and stuff them into my Volvo and his pickup. One is now my coffee table complete with all the attachments, and he did the same and hung one as his office door in his house. It has always been my plan to put my modeling skills to work and carve a couple of Mermaids to hold the door up instead of the ammo boxes that now serve that purpose. And then there is all the bronze and brass work we used to salvage off wrecks in the Philippines and other locals to get money to buy beer ( I bought models in the PX :-) ) Bob O'Donovan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: Lindberg Tug: Detail sets? The Lindberg Diesel tug is about 1/82 scale, IIRC. I'm not aware of any PE designed specifically for it, but it is close to HO scale. I went to a well stocked model railroad shop and bought some misc. parts for my tug. I've got ladders, valve wheels, gas cylinders, etc. I know there are railings available in HO as well. BTW, the Lindberg tug makes a very nice mini-RC model. I made mine into USCGC Messenger.... Bill Check out my US Coast Guard subjects model list at: http://www.tiac.net/users/billkaja/kitlist.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: US Navy Lettering Where do I found a website that has info on US Navy Lettering for ships. Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Fun for WWII Navy Ship Builders http://www.modelshipbuilding.com/gijoe40mm.htm This is a great gift for Navy or ship guy I even bought one for myself. 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