Subject: SMML VOL 1716 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:53:28 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Royal Navy Turret Tops 2: NZ Navy poster 3: Old Ship Relic Error 4: Re: 'Ship Shells' 5: Re: Hobby Shops 6: Practice bombs still turning up in Texas 7: ship relics 8: Re: What is this ship? 9: Re: Royal Navy Turret Tops 10: Re: ship relics 11: Re: Ship Relics 12: Re: Fun for WWII Navy Ship Builders 13: Re: Tupolev G-5 14: Re: Fast Minelayers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: IJN Paints -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Darren Subject: Re: Royal Navy Turret Tops >> Does anyone have any colour photos from the 1950s or 1960s which show the actual colour used for RN turret tops. I have several black & white photos which show a dark roof, but is the top deck green or flight deck anti slip grey? Various Type 12 & Leanders seem to have had them but I haven't seen any dark topped turret photos of the Type 41, 61, Darings and Counties which all mounted the same turret. Was this purely a Type 12 habit? Does anyone out there have any photos of these classes with dark turret tops? Ideally in colour to solve the problem. << Don't know if it helps, but the HMS PLYMOUTH museum ship has a walkway pattern in green in her turret top. Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Darren Subject: NZ Navy poster I was told by a fellow SMMLie that a few years back he found an email address for a fellow at the RNZN that would send a poster that showed all the RNZN ships in profile. The NZ navy website did not have any email contacts and I was wondering if anybody knew how to contact them and if the poster was still available. Thanks, Darren Scannell Bowmanville, Ontario -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Katz, Gene S" Subject: Old Ship Relic Error My typing skills turned the USN's Scott RBO low-radiation radio into a National HRO, sorry. Should have been RBO. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Peter Webster Subject: Re: 'Ship Shells' Hi to Dean Markley (Vol 1712). I have other naval related stuff such as a round for the US 1 Pounder Hotchkiss revolving cannon, US 3 and 6 Pounder Hotchkiss rounds complete, a 4.7" British shell casing for the Scott carriage Naval Brigade guns used in the siege of Ladysmith, an 8 Inch HE projectile for the heavy cruiser HMAS Australia of WWII, and a brass casing for a 6 Inch Q.F. gun 1902 converted in the 1930's for the cordite charge for aircraft catapult launching such as the Sydney type light cruisers, + ..... If I have an opportunity to find a digitally camera minded person (Shane ;-) ??) I can post a photo. The 12 Inch I want to put in a display of it, the 8 Inch, and a coast defence 9.2 Inch. It would take a lot of inducement to part with it at present (a sign of getting older, hmmm) BUT also, part two of message! I am looking for decent plans (i.e. to make a 1/600 model with reasonable detail) for the Omaha class cruiser USS Cinncinatti circa 1927-1928 during service in the Pacific. Thanks Peter Sydney, Oz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: CDRSKI@aol.com Subject: Re: Hobby Shops >> I'm just 2 days from going to sea again and would like to get as much info on good hobby shops in the following ports; -Honolulu -Singapore -San Diego << Ken, There is not much here in honolulu. There's one at Pearl Ridge mall called the Hobbie Company, but there selection is kind of limited due to the fact they have a little of everything and limited space. There is one other shop in Kailua called Hobby Time but it is also a very small shop. Most of the time we have to special order for specific kits. You can contact me off list for more info. Jim Skowronski Honolulu, Hi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Practice bombs still turning up in Texas to add to Franklyn's story about practice bombs The residents of a new housing development in the southern part of the Dallas/FtWorth suburb of Arlington are turning up practice bombs in their yards. It seems that their development is on the site of the old Five-Points airfield and bombing range. The residents are worried that a charge may remain in some of these relics after 55-plus years of being buried. Some kid was found whacking a bomb with a shovel and some local moms got "concerned". Five-Points was used by the fledgling pilots of WWII, training at bases like NAS Dallas, Arlington, and Grand Prairie. Ed Mansfield, TX all I found on my property was some old barbed wire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Gruffydd3@aol.com Subject: ship relics I have a letter opener of teak from HMS Warspite. I've seen these and small teak barrels to be used for pencil holders for sale occasionally on e-bay. Does anyone know where these were sold originally, or anything else about them? Thanks, Rick Morgan Baltimore -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "John Anderson" Subject: Re: What is this ship? >> I was fortunate enough to be in Portsmouth last week so I looked in on HMS Victory, as I had never done so before. While I was there I saw what looked like an Invincible class carrier, but I don't know which one. The only marking I could see was "R06" on the starboard side of the island. Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me exactly which ship this is? << Brad Here is your answer she is the HMS ILLUSTRIOUS From Haze Gray & Underway: World Navies Today Displacement: 20,600 tons full load Dimensions: 210 x 36 x 8.8 meters (689 x 118 x 29 feet) Propulsion: 4 TM3B gas turbines, 2 shafts, 94,000 shp, and 28 knots Crew: 1089 Aviation: full flight deck with ski jump, 2 elevators; 20 VSTOL and Helicopters (usually 8 Sea Harrier, 9 Sea King, 3 Sea King AEW) Hangar: full length & width, 3 bays Troops: 960 (short duration) Radar: Type 1002 early warning, 1 Type 996 surface/air search Sonar: Type 2016 hull Fire Control: 2 Type 909 missile control EW: UAF-1 intercept, 2 Type 675 jammers, 4 chaff, 1 Type 182 towed Armament: 3 CIWS (20 mm Phalanx or 30 mm Goalkeeper) Formerly known as "through deck cruisers", these are VSTOL carriers. One ship is always in reserve or refit. Number Name Year Homeport R05 Invincible 1980 Portsmouth R06 Illustrious 1982 Portsmouth R07 Ark Royal 1985 Portsmouth John Anderson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Re: Royal Navy Turret Tops The dark top to the turrets you mention was usually 'deck green'. I am not aware of any specific instructions regarding painting as ships of the same class seem to have been painted differently at different times. I have certainly seen green turret tops on Type 12 and Leander frigates and on County Class destroyers. Regards Les Brown, Fareham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Lkjohnson214@aol.com Subject: Re: ship relics My collection includes some 3"/50 drill rounds, but the pieces I really wanted i had to let go. A friend (who also provided the 3"/50s) had several of the dril rounds for the 16"/50s on the IOWAs. When Crane Naval Depot liquidated their stockpile when the battlewagons were retired, he got a couple dozen of them. He offered me two,(hey came two to a skid, and he was not going to break up a skid) but it was one of those pick them up yourself deals. At 4,000 plus pounds, I had to pass. My wife told me i'd have been crazy to take them, but i thoight they'd be neat pieces to set on our porch. Her point was that as they were made of stainless steel, they'd surely get stolen for scrap value. I told her if anyone could come to our porch and man enough to pick one up, then he was welcome to it, as my .357 wasn't going to faze him LD Johnson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: HOOD1941@aol.com Subject: Re: Ship Relics I have the following in my collection: Large metal nut from Ark Royal 3. Boat badge from Hood and Vanguard also boat badges from Furious, KGV, Liverpool, Jutland. Piece of metal from Hindenburg - "liberated by my father when she was on the bottom in Scapa Flow". Union flag flown by H.M.S. Tiger at Dogger Bank and Jutland. Ian Beattie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: ken.p.lemaster@exxonmobil.com Subject: Re: Fun for WWII Navy Ship Builders The local TRU was selling these for $60 last month, I do not know if they have reduced the price. I also have one on order at the $30 price. They look fairly good. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: Tupolev G-5 Michael Brown wrote - >> Avia Press list a 1/72 Tupolev G-5 WW2 Torpedo Boat by Interavia. Has anyone dealt with them or heard of this kit? << The good news is that it's a unique and inexpensive model. The bad news is that it's one of the crudest ship models out there, comparable to the stuff the Soviets were making 40 years ago. It does come with some decent photoetch to replace some of the kit components. All in all, a real challenge... MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Fast Minelayers I would be careful of using the Warship Profile and the Polish publication without checking just about everything in them. I was personally involved in the former and so speak from direct experience. The writing is however very good as it was written by THE man on mine warfare. I have not seen the Polish book, but their reputation on several of their other titles leaves much to be desired in terms of visual accuracy, an unfortunate state of affairs. This class of warship begs to covered properly. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: IJN Paints >> The Japanese did not have a "standard" grey paint. Each Naval Prefecture, or Yard, mixed there own. Unfortunately there are no surviving samples of many of these. However samples did survive for four of the main ones, Kure, Maizuru, Sasebo, and Yokosuka. These are available in acrylic from Model Expo, and will be in enamel from Colourcoats. << Ah, not "will be", but "are available." We have the following colours in stock and are shipping them now: IJN 01, Sasebo Gray IJN 02, Kure Gray IJN 03, Maizuru Gray IJN 04, Yokosuka Gray IJN 05, Type 1 Camouflage IJN 06, Type 2 Camouflage IJN 07, Type 21 Camouflage IJN 08, Type 22 Camouflage IJN 09, Deck Tan IJN 10, Linoleum is expected any day now. The Type 1, Type 2, Type 21, and Type 22 colours are the greens used on aircraft carriers. The Deck Tan is a paint colour, not a wood colour; it was a paint used on carrier deck camo patterns. Having supplied a partial list of ships in Kure Gray on yesterday's SMML, we also have partial lists for those wearing the other 3 grays as well. Orders being cheerfully taken.... Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume