Subject: SMML VOL 1718 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:01:09 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Now docking, a genuine Cold War Soviet submarine 2: Bombs found 3: Burke Flt IIa elongation 4: Bombs found 5: Re: ship relics 6: Re: ship relics 7: Internet Warning! 8: Re: Relics 9: Re: Bombs Found 10: Re: 1/350 Enterprise 11: Bombs Found -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Now docking, a genuine Cold War Soviet submarine http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/71440_sub22.shtml -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Rod Dauteuil Subject: Bombs found >> I can't say where I saw this, but I have read that on occasion, REAL bombs turn up in the Thames river when they dredge it. Maybe some of our UK readers know more???? << Same happens here off the New England coast from time to time. Unexploded torpedoes will be found by divers. In fact if you look at a nautical map, the location of these torpedoes (and sometimes bombs) is pinpointed. I don't know the origin of these torpedoes, but I would assume they're from German U-Boats that operated in these waters. I've always been interested in U-Boats, and I find equally fascinating the U-Boats sunk right here off the New England coast. One website I came across a while back (U-Boat Net???) listed the various sub wreck locations, some right at the approaches to Boston Harbor. A while back I saw a documentary on a U-Boat that was found off New Jersey. They had a hard time determining its' identity because no boats were reported lost in that general location. After some extensive forensic work, they finally discovered the identity of this mystery sub. As it turned out, it was a U-Boat reported lost in the Mediterranean, or somewhere in that part of the world. I don't recall how they explained the confusion of thinking the sub was in the Med instead of New Jersey. But experts speculate the sub fired a malfunctioning torpedo which made a big circle, and came back to destroy them. Rod -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: pelle@nord.alfaromeo.org Subject: Burke Flt IIa elongation I'm considering a modification of a flt II burke to a flt IIa. The main problem is of course the construction of the hangar and elevation of the rear AEGIS panels, but it doesnt seem too hopeless a project, judging from the photographic material available via the Internet. What I however cannot see is where that extra 5-feet long plug in the hull is welded in. Does anyone know? BR Pelle SWE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Baumbach, Werner" Subject: Bombs found Can't really comment on the bombs found in London, but it does not sound very surprising. Here in Germany every once in a while a bomb is found on various occasions, mostly during somekind of construction. Right around the corner where I live, they tore down an old gas station and while digging for the tanks found a big one. That was in Mannheim / Germany, which was an industrial center at that time (I guess it still somewhat is) including Ludwigshafen right across the Rhine with the BASF. Let me put it like this, in Mannheim, there is not too many houses built before 1945. Precision bombing at that time was not a tactics followed to often. Both for the lack of technology and for the goal to break the will of the nation you were attacking. Coventry and Dresden would be good (or I guess you should say terrible) examples for the implementation of this tactics. So, during carpet bombing, I guess quite a good percentage goes astray and does not go off. As London was one of the favourite targets of Luftwaffe bombers, and they were probably turning a lot of attention to the docks, it seems not very surprising, that they find a bomb every once in a while. Cheers Werner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: ship relics Well, I guess it is my turn to speak up about Naval Relics. I was fortunate to inherit my Uncle's USN Spyglass, issued to him in 1942 while he served aboard the "Big E" (USS Enterprise CV-6) as an LSO (landing signal officer). This telescope is still in its original Oak case and if in mint condition. I am very proud of this item and its history and that of my departed Uncle. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: ship relics I guess I might as well chime in on this thread. I have 43 inches of one of the teak deck planks of BB 63, USS Missouri. The plank comes from the starboard side on the first superstructure deck, slightly to the rear of B turret. It was removed during the 1984 overhaul. My plan is to carve a bas-relief of the ship into the wood and have a brass data plate made that includes its location on the ship. I also have a link end from U-505's anchor chain. Many years ago, the Chicago museum where she resides cut up the chain to sell as souvenirs. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Internet Warning! To all on this list- I have been receiving e-mail's with an attachment on it from addresses that are familiar to me. The one thing that tipped me off as to their being a "Virus", was the subject area was weird. I think these are worms that are going out thru our own e-mail address books. So. Be very careful before opening any e-mail's with an attachment. Make sure you are expecting one with an attachment. If you are going to send an attachment to someone, send an e-mail first stating that this person will receive another with an attachment. Put a small note in the e-mail with the attachment as to the content of the attachment. This is a big help. Also. Just because you have virus protection software does not mean you are immune to viruses. Confucius say- "One with blind faith walk off cliff" Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Relics There used to be a sunken WW Two cargo ship in the Thames estuary loaded with bombs. It was there up to around 1980 complete with the full cargo. Is it still there? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Erwin Van Deynze Subject: Re: Bombs Found >> I can't say where I saw this, but I have read that on occasion, REAL bombs turn up in the Thames river when they dredge it. Maybe some of our UK readers know more???? << Can't say for our friends over the channel, but I can imagine it. The most bombed and shelled piece of real estate on the world, called the Westhoek (Flanders Fields), is just an hours drive from my place. Even today, ninety years after WW1, grenades and rounds are regulary found by farmers or on development sites. They just lay them by the side of the road and DOVO (de-mining section of the Belgian Army) picks them up on their regular rounds across the country-side... Unfortunately some other guys pick them up also sometimes, they even make it to the papers, when their 'de-mining' efforts are less than succesful... Also WW2 left much hardware scattered across Flanders, especially the coast! Returning bombers dropped their leftovers in the channel (landing with armed bombs in the bay, probably isn't very advisable). On more than one occasion, they fell on the beaches or near the shoreline. Last year DOVO did a methodical sweep of the beaches, and is pretty confident that there is no more unexploded stuff left. A couple of years ago on the Dutch coast they had to evecuate a whole village, because af a WW2 bomb discovered during development work. And let's not forget the evacuation of a whole area in Northern France last year after a problem with a stock of unexploded gas-shels. Erwin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: 1/350 Enterprise >> Does anybody know the finished dimensions ( Height, Width & Length) of the Tamiya 1/350 USS Enterprise as I need to get a case made for the model before I have completed it. << I am not familiar with the Tamiya model but if it is of the nuclear carrier of 1961 prototype dimensions were approx 1,123 ft oa by 133 ft beam. At 1:350 scale this translates to 38.5 in by 4.6 in (962 mm by 114 mm). If we are talking about the Enterprise of 1938 dimensions were 809.5 ft by 86 ft beam which reduces to 28 in by 3 in (700 mm by 75 mm). The reply in SMML 1717 would appear to be OK for the first as far as length is concerned but indicates only about a third of the beam. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "William B. Smallshaw" Subject: Bombs Found Two years ago the City of San Diego started to find live 20mm and 40mm rounds on a local beach. While dredging the harbor to accomodate nuclear carriers the City and the Navy were depositing the dredged sand on this very same local beach. Little did they know that sailors on ships returning from the Pacific war zone were heaving ammunition over the side while entering port. It seems that the sooner they completed an inventory of unspent ammunition the sooner they could go ashore. I guess deep sixing it was easier than counting it! Needless to say the whole dredging project was held up while the Navy tried to figure out how to sort live ammunition from sand. 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