Subject: SMML VOL 1727 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:26:43 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Trumpeter Hornet & Essex 2: Re: Why didn't Bismark steam stern first into Brest? Possible answer: 3: Re: German sub-peroxide propulsion 4: Re: U.S.S. Monitor 5: Re: Pit-Road Neosho in-box preview 6: Re: Why didn't Bismarck steam stern first into Brest??? 7: Bismarck steaming 8: T 301 - Capitan Constantin Dumitrescu class 9: Relics -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Trumpeter Hornet & Essex Is there a suggested price for these beauties yet - I tell ya I am salivating thinking about them!! Franklyn: Now that is what I would call a serious collector!! Mike NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Cyp Klish" Subject: Re: Why didn't Bismark steam stern first into Brest? Possible answer: >> says that Prinz Eugen could steam astern for no more than 30 minutes. The limiting factor was engine cooling. The intakes for the seawater used for cooling were shaped to scoop up seawater when the ship was moving AHEAD. The intakes were inefficient when the ship was going ASTERN. So no cooling, rising temperatures, and you have got a problem. << Seawater was not used (directly) for cooling engines but (primarily) to condense steam in the main condensers; also, there are normally main seawater circ pumps that are used at speeds below those where scoop injection becomes inefficient. Steam-driven turbines are normally cooled by lube oil which is circulated through strainers, purifiers, and heat exchangers to keep its lubricating properties and temperature within operating limits. I suspect that the Prinz Eugen 30 minute astern operational limitation might have been the result of a bearing temperature problem, either shaft, reduction gear, or engine. But, in wartime and faced with the lost of a ship, if steering stern first was an option, I'd think the Captain would either run the risk of damaging the engines rather than give up the ship, or at least repetitively run astern until redlined, stop and cool, then repeat. That said, in the Bismark case, I doubt if this was an option at all given the extreme angle of the frozen rudder. From a modeler's perspective, personally, I'd like to see full hull model manufacturers make some attempt at representing these rather large hull openings - the scoop, the main seawater intake to the seawater, the seawater discharge (along with a proper keel and bilge keels.) All are large openings easily visible in the scales commonly used. It would add informative items of detail - help one visualize the engine room locations within the hull, and the length of the shafts. Anybody else of this opinion? Kip -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Vmclawyer@aol.com Subject: Re: German sub-peroxide propulsion In regard to the hydrogen peroxide propulsion system. The Russians also built several after the war based on captured German designs. When I was in the USN we got to see some spectacular photos--probably satellite--of one of those boats exploding on the surface. 3 or 4 frames. The last only smoke & flames; couldn't even see the boat. Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Dirk Emmermacher" Subject: Re: U.S.S. Monitor Hello Kevin. Thanks for your answer. I'm impressed of the large number of books about this ship. Take care. Dirk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Uwe Besken Subject: Re: Pit-Road Neosho in-box preview Hi Marc, The Paintnumbers read as: PC13 WWII US Deck Blue (Pitroad Colour) G8 Silver (Gunze Sangyo Colour) G14 Semi Gloss Navy Blue (Gunze Sangyo Colour) G28 Steel (Gunze Sangyo Colour) see translation for Gunze Sangyo Paints table under: http://www.newtype-asylum.com/model/guide/gunze.htm Greetings Uwe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Roger Harr" Subject: Re: Why didn't Bismarck steam stern first into Brest??? I am building a radio controlled BISMARCK in 1/100 scale and made the first sea trials last week. It was nearly impossible to steer the 100 pound model with the screws and absolutely impossible to steer stern first! Sincerely Roger Harr -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: DortaB@aol.com Subject: Bismarck steaming With a jammed rudder. going forwards, backwards or inbetween would not have help; Bismarck would still have been steming in circles. What I've wondered is why they never put divers over the side and blown the rudder off. Over the side is dangerous work, but sometimes thats the breaks in wartime, and I would think save the ship was the priority. Ah, well, DKM would have found someother way to misuse her if she had survived. George Cost Tampa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: T 301 - Capitan Constantin Dumitrescu class The Soviet/Romanian-built T 301 class minesweepers had an armament of 2x 3,7 cm; 2x 1,45 cm; 18 mines (as Weyer 1984 and other volumes say) or 2x 2,0 cm; 4x1,27 MG; _?_ mines (as Conway 1922-46 says)? Where to find photos of this class? http://picpage7.tripod.com/romania.html Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/flagship.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: david_l._miller@ccmail.wiu.edu Subject: Relics About 15 years ago I worked in London for several months and I found a very nice brass plaque. It was in a small shop that sold antiques and odds and ends; Actually, I spend quite a few hours in that shop "just looking". The plaque is about 5X8 inches, with flags, cannons, and all sorts of things nautical molded into it. Along the bottom is a banner inscribed with Nelson's words, "England Expects Every Man To Do His Duty". The woman who sold it to me said that it "came from a ship". O.K. I do not know the name of the ship, or if it really did come from a ship, but it is very attractive in a nautical sort of way, with good workmanship, and it only cost a few pounds. For about the last ten years it has been mounted on a ceiling beam in my study and looks very attractive. Dave Miller Macomb, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume