Subject: SMML VOL 1737 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:35:20 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: 1942 flags and ensigns 2: Lady in distress 3: Tenix delivers STUART to Royal Australian Navy 4: 1/700 waterlines 5: Re: Pearl Harbor Camo (again) 6: WARSHIP IN PROFILE volume 4? 7: 1942 FLAGS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Darren Subject: Re: 1942 flags and ensigns Alex, Here are some answers to your questions, >> Which were RAN, RNZN and RCN ensigns? Some sites suggest that they were similar to RN ensign, while some depict those with stars and leaf. << In WWII all these Navies used the RN White Ensign in the same manner as the RN, on the stern when in port, usually on the mast at sea. They each had a Blue ensign that was used as the Jack (on the bow, when in port). The RAN and RNZN Blue Ensign was the National Ensign as seen today, while the RCN Blue Ensign was a Blue version of the National Red Ensign, a solid colour with the Union flag in the top left corner and the coat of arms in the middle. All three countries adopted their own National Ensigns for use on ships in the years after WWII (50's/60's). The RAN and RNZN created Jacks based on the National Ensign using a white field with blue stars, reverse of the national ensign. Canada adopted the current red maple leaf flag and our current Jack is white with a Maple leaf flag in the left top corner and a blue crown and anchor in the middle, both adopted in the mid 60's. >> Were rank flags of RAN, RNZN and RCN similar to those used in RN? << Yes, until each country went to it's own Ensign and white Jack. Not sure what the RAN and RNZN are using now, but the CN uses a simplified system of a swallow tailed commodores flag, similar to the RN but with a maple leaf instead of a red dot and the admirals have a flag similar to the Jack but a crest of their position in place of the crown and anchor. Not many sea going admirals in Canada, so no need for all the rank flags. >> Were those USN rank flags (dark blue with 2, 3 and 4 white stars) used in 1942 or other ones were used instead? << As far as I know, they are the same today as in WWII, as is the RN rank flags. HTH and I got it all correct! Darren Scannell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Lady in distress >> I've been trying to find out how I can get my father another instruction manual to put together a battleship: 1:200 scale series Japanese Navy Super Dreadnought Battleship.My father has missed placed the instructions and can't put it together without them.Do you have any information on how I can go about getting another copy?If you can be of some help I will be very thankful!!This is very important to him.Thank you,Gail Crespin Forme2fish@aol.com << This lady contacted me she looking for directions for here father's 1/200 NIC Yamato. Can anyone help here. Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Tenix delivers STUART to Royal Australian Navy The Royal Australian Navy has taken delivery on schedule of its fourth ANZAC class frigate, STUART, at the Tenix Defence Pty Ltd shipyard at Williamstown, Melbourne. STUART was launched at Williamstown in April 1999 Tenix Defence is building 10 ANZAC Class Ships - eight for Australia and two for New Zealand.The $6 billion project, the largest and most successful in the defence arena in Australia, has earned Tenix international recognition and a number of engineering and quality awards. HMAS ANZAC, HMAS ARUNTA and HMAS WARRAMUNGA are in service with the RAN and HMNZS TE KAHA and HMNZS TE MANA are in service with the Royal New Zealand Navy. All ships were delivered with their combat systems fully functional. Ship 07, PARRAMATTA, is fitting out at Williamstown. Ship 08, BALLARAT, was launched on 25 May. The keel for Ship 09, TOOWOOMBA, will be laid in July. ps..i hope this ship can go without its hull cracking open like the others.. I saw the other month that cracks some up to a metre in length were forming in the hull..i seem to re-call that one ship, maybe a NZ ship had the crack in the fuel or something, one ship is heading to Singapore soon or may even be there now & the rest are going into dock when they finish their deployment for tests ..I think they said the problem was a weakness joint along one of the joints of the section of the ships, they are now putting a extra bulge layer or something over the waterline/hull to increase the strength -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "John Clements" Subject: 1/700 waterlines In vol. 1732 Steve Pelham asked about waterlines on 1/700 models, visible or not. Looking at models depicted in a seascape, they invariably have some of the underwater hull exposed, as happens in reality. Pictures of real ships show that usually, even when at anchor, part of the boot-topping at the the very least is exposed, as they are rarely fully loaded. As I model my waterline ships on a flat mahogany base, I always add a thin line of the boot topping - usually by a decal stripe - which I think helps to make a clear boundary between the ship and the base, and hides any imperfections in the join. John Clements -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: wem Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Camo (again) >> Pearl Harbour Cammo: With the Arizona, what about those 2 books that are out & one cant recall which one, has painting of the Arizona being tied up to the cement pier/buoy.. is that dark blue correct??? & in the book batleships vol 1 (squadron) there is a colour painting of the Nevada in dark blue with a bow wave..is this the same colour that Arizona would have worn? << Chalk those blue ARIZONAs and NEVADAs up to a) incorrect information, and b) imperfect memory. The old pictorial history softbound on ARIZONA claimed her to be in (and pictured her in) Measure 14, overall 5-O Ocean Gray, which was simply and patently wrong. As for the NEVADA in Squadron's "U.S. Battleships in Action, Part 1", I just checked my copy and she's pictured in the 5-D Dark Gray of Measure 1, with the Measure 5 false bow wave. Add to the evidence the passage in Stillwell's "Battleship Arizona" that cites a crew member returning from leave to find ARIZONA repainted in dark gray (NOT dark blue). Cheers, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Roger Harr" Subject: WARSHIP IN PROFILE volume 4? From Profile Publications I have the first three volumes of WARSHIPS IN PROFILE published in the 70's. On the cover of volume 3 is mentioned, that there is a volume 4. I spent a lot of time to localize this volume 4 and meanwhile I ask myself, if it was ever published. Can anyone help? Sincerely Roger Harr SWITZERLAND -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Dean, Tom" Subject: 1942 FLAGS Hi Gang: The R.C.N. used the standard "White Ensign" during the war and until 1965 when it was replaced by the new Canadian Flag. When in harbour the R.C.N. flew the "Blue Ensign" at the jackstaff. It was a royal blue flag, with the union jack at the staff and the crest of the "Dominion of Canada" at the fly. All in all a rather neat looking flag. As to the R.C.A.F. their flag was the standard R.A.F. Roundel with the red circle in the roundel replaced by a red maple leaf. The Canadian Army used the "Red Ensign" similar to the "Blue Ensign" but obviously red! I Think the Dominion Crest was slightly different as well but not sure. I know it was changed but perhaps not until the early 50's. The modern flag for the Canadian Navy is the National Flag aft or in the sea position, and the new Naval Jack at the jackstaff in harbour. The jack is white, with the Canadian flag at the staff and the badge of Maritime Command (in blue) at the fly. The Canadian Air Force flag is similar to that used before with the Canadian Flag replacing the union flag at the staff. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume