Subject: SMML VOL 1756 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:27:46 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Ruse de guerre, 9th June 1944 2: Re: Model Shops in Washington, DC? 3: Bluejacket's Manual 4: USS MIDWAY 5: Interesting items on eBay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: GMM's 1/700 USS New Jersey PE set now available! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Norman Samish" Subject: Ruse de guerre, 9th June 1944 Tony Ireland, You are an excellent writer, creating in me a vivid image of what you are describing. Thanks again for writing your memoirs of D-Day and WW2. Norm Samish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: Re: Model Shops in Washington, DC? >> Having just returned from a business trip to Washington, DC (Crystal City to be precise) for which I had no chance to prepare myself, can anybody advise me of suitable locations to visit on the next trip? << Les, You were one exit or so on the beltway away from a fairly good hobby shop. Just south of Crystal City at what used to be exit 5 (they are now renumbered but it's Braddock Road). Go up the ramp and bear left then through the traffic light at Braddock Road and straight on up the hill a short way is Granddad's Hobby Shop on the right. He has a bit of everything including an isle of ship models. By the way, there is a little shopping center on the right, right at that light, and a good place to eat is Kilroy's. Granddad's is sort of in back of Kilroy's. Cheers, Bob Santos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Bluejacket's Manual My modest missive pales in the company of Tony Ireland's magnificent tales, but may be of interest to that small company of modeler/historians who may be contemplating acquiring a copy of the WW 1 era U.S.Navy's Bluejacket's Manual. First, I interrogated the American Book Exchange website (www.abebooks.com) and had them search by author (Norman R. Van Der Veer). They immediately displayed 22 potential copies, 14 of which are the Fifth Edition (1917) and 7 of which are the Sixth Edition (1918), the 22nd one being a 7th Edition (1927) and thus not interest to WW 1 (1917-1918) researchers. Bingo!!!! Next I made a price survey and found that the Fifth Edition (1917) ranged from $20 to $150 !!!!! The Sixth Edition ran from $10 to (are you sitting down?) $200 !!! Although condition will have an influence, I was amazed at the magnitude of the ranges. You can create your own comments, but don't blame ABE, the prices are set by the individual booksellers, ABE is merely a locater service. I have temporary access to a Sixth Edition (1918), and noticed that it was revised in 1916, two years before the publication date. Odd. I then selected a likely bookseller and inquired about his copy of the Fifth Edition (1917) having the five pages of color plates which display the various signal flags. He advised that indeed it did, and gave me the page numbers, which were identical to the Sixth Edition (1918). We then communicated with each other, exchanging information from the title pages of our respective editions. His Fifth Edition (1917) was also revised in 1916. Aha, the plot thickens ! Then I noticed that the two editions were printed by different printing houses. All this with the same author, a Navy lieutenant. From this a possible scenario emerged. Try this on your old pianola. The U.S. entered WW 1 in 1917, but sentiment (and "preparedness") began earlier. Part of the preparedness may well have been the upgrading of the Manual in 1916. I have not seen a Fourth Edition, and therefore do not have a publication date, but suspect it well could have been 1916. As things escalated, more copies of the Manual would have been needed, therefore another printiing could have been made in 1917, and another in 1918. Here is where the trouble might be rooted. There may well have been a mis-use of the term "edition". To me, "edition" means a new printing, with substantal changes, whereas a simple reprinting, without changes, is a "reprint". The "author" (perhaps should have been identified as an the editor, as the original Manual was created in 1901, and revised from time to time) was a Lieutenant, possibly pressed into the job with a quickly assembled staff of lesser ranks, experience, and abilities, a "normal" wartime expediency. Without making a page-by-page comparison (I do know the Sixth Edition (1918) has some 821 pages of text and illustrations, plus index), I strongly suspect that the Fifth (1917) and the Sixth (1918) "Editions" (and possibly the Fourth) are for all practical purposes, identical, and should have been identified as "reprints" and not as "editions". What's the bottom line? Well, here's the skinny. If you are looking for a WW 1 era (1917-1918) U.S.Navy Bluejacket's Manual, consider that the 1916, 1917, and 1918 "Editions" are all the same, and do not waste time and money looking for a specific year, Accept any Manual published in that three year span and you will be probably all right, especially so for the latter two. Incidentally, the very helpful bookseller who provided me with details which allowed me to come to this conclusion sacrificed a sale in the process, but I sing his praises, as his attitude is indeed rare these days. Having absolutely no vested interest in his emporium, I can comfortably advise that his e-mail address is arbenz1@stratuswave.net Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: USS MIDWAY Did anyone see Mike Ashey article in the July issue of Fine Scale Modeler about adding a bottom on to the old Revell USS Midway but using the bottom of a Revell USS Forrestal and reshaping it. Wow, looks great but that is more effort than I am willing to put into a model. Mike NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: paulship37@aol.com Subject: Interesting items on eBay I saw these items for sale at eBay: 1939-1945 HUDDART. PARKER LINE -War Service- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1542588773 weapons of the falklands conflict book http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1542015118 Canadian Navy in Korean Waters 1950-1955 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1542785766 KAMIKAZES - FROM THE JAPANESE SIDE http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1542788616 History of Australian-American Naval Relation http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1542198952 Serving on the Fleet Tug Pawnee 1942 - 1945 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1542770001 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Loren Perry Subject: GMM's 1/700 USS New Jersey PE set now available! Gold Medal Model's all-new 1/700 PE detail set for Skywave/Trumpeter's 1/700 scale modernized USS New Jersey and USS Iowa kits is now in stock and shipping. See the What's New section on the GMM webpage for more information: www.goldmm.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume