Subject: SMML VOL 1760 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:39:55 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Von Luckner's death in 1931 2: Re: Another thread? 3: Washington navy yard 4: Re: SEEADLER and Count von Luckner 5: Re: Another thread? 6: sinkex 7: "Seeadler" Ship model from Revell 8: Re: Okinawa Sinkex 9: Re: Okinawa Sinkex 10: Re: The Count Von Luckner 11: Re: Felix von Luckner 12: 1/72 white metal model Flak M42 for the Revell S-100 13: Re: Another thread? 14: SMS Seeadler kit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Daniel H Jones Subject: Re: Von Luckner's death in 1931 Nat Richards wrote: >> I seem to recall that Von Luckner passed away along about 1931 or there abouts.... << Not so. The Count was still alive in (I think ) about 1956 (or there abouts) as he appeared on the old live television show called "This Is Your Life". The premise of the show was that a weekly guest was lured into a meeting with someone they knew and was then "ambushed" by the show host who trotted out a collection of past acquaintances to recall events in the guest's life. Some celebrity guests looked rather uncomfortable with this but as I recall the Count seemed be enjoying it immensely. Among his surprise guests was Lowell Thomas. I saw that show as a child and I do not remember much about any of those shows except for that one - it inspired me to get a copy of Thomas's book and read it - perhaps the first awakening of my interest in ships. Dan Jones Plastic Ship Modeler magazine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bob Evans Subject: Re: Another thread? >> Revell put out a kit of the Seeadler. << Shane, Yes ... Revell put out the kit in 1960 ... H-382 If anyone is interested, I have one I'm willing to part with (:^> Bob Evans -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Washington navy yard I was there a few years ago when they were re-doing the museum , so only a 1/4 of it was on show..great range of T-shirts though!! I think I got a SEAL t-shirt there.... yeah I was a little nervous walking around cuz I didn't know where the entrance was ,... I did come to one entrance where there was a marine guard house & walked in... I think I struck a nice marine (no offence to any Marines..im sure you are all nice!!, some experiences with Marines at tours & asking questions ,some have been a bit "short") & sent me the right direction .. went in the right gate & had to show my ID lucky I was carrying my passport! don't forget to visit the Marine museum just closest to the first entrance way .. I guess they will still have the signs & the yellow painted (?) lines on the roadway inside the gate to follow. In regards to Marines being short its mainly been at open days & asking questions while I have been doing self tours of bases or getting lost in a base one day took a wrong turn in the naval academy... best time getting lost was in the SF base near the beach..wanted to go see the old grave yard there, thought that Nimitz was buried there..couldnt find it, but it wasn't a total loss...walked past the female barracks area .... Blush .. a nice warm sunny day for washing your clothes & sunbathing!!!.... made a hasty/quick exit out of there!!!!!! ( I looked like a typical tourist, cameras etc ) hey they should sign post properly!!! but I must say that in general the US navy at all the open days I have been to in Sydney the US navy have been the nicest bunch of people to talk to listen to.... many OZ navy ships personnel they just look at me & continue to talk amongst themselves (not that I really care!) - not all are bad just in general they seem bored etc .. I could say who comes second... Canadians have been polite , except for one shy French Canadian who was guarding a passageway, his english was not quite good & I remember someone walked up to him to ask him a question & he sorta blushed tried to pronounce something I couldn't quite hear & couldn't get he words out so he asked another crew member to answer the kid's question ..poor guy ... an Italian ship was fun, not one person spoke english & I was the only person who couldnt speak Italian ! they were very polite just the same ..well that's enough ramblings ..for now -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Roland Mar Subject: Re: SEEADLER and Count von Luckner Taken together, all of the posts give a pretty good idea of the career of this sailor and his ship. Thanks to Andrew Jones for filling in the details of what happened after the SEEADLER was wrecked. Sorry to intrude with this, but I am trying to contact fellow list member John Kutina. All my emails to him are being bounced by his server, however I am still getting his. If it is any consolation, most of our messages would be on-topic here. ;-). Roland Mar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Sab1156@aol.com Subject: Re: Another thread? A final note about von Luckner: He visited my city Ludwigsburg/Germany in November 1961,five weeks before I entered navy service. I thought the report of his adventures was quite fascinating, especially,when they dressed sailors up as ladies! he was an intelligent, strong man, somehow from a time passed! He was famous for ripping a New York phone book in two while he was in his 70th! His whole family is full of calourful persons. One of his ancestors was "Trenk the Pandur", an Austro-Hungarian cavallery officer, who spied for several countries in Europe,was in jail in Prussia for many years,escaped and ended up loosing his head in Paris, because he was a count! D.Hartwig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Mark W. McKellar" Subject: sinkex >> Am I the only one that that has this affliction? :) << No, I plead guilty to this affliction as well......always looking for images and clips of all the bad things that happen to these wonders of the sea. Mark Boston -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Axel Wolters" Subject: "Seeadler" Ship model from Revell Hi all, Revell issued serveral times a sailing ship, which they sold as Graf Luckners "Seeadler". I found out, that it is the same kit as the american "Eagle", the coast guard sailing ship (formerly German Kriegsmarines "Horst Wessel"), which Revell sold as the german navy sailing ship "Gorch Fock II (built in 1958 using the same style as the pre-war sailing vessels) too. You can identify it from the figure on the bow too: An eagle (The real "Gorch Fock" should have an albatros there, different position lamps and so on.). The kit was produced by Revell of America, so they had the coast guard "Eagle" as the prototype for the model. All in all: 3 different modelkits from one tool. Only the scale description from "Seeadler" (1:232 scale) and "Eagle" and "Gorch Fock" (both 1:253 scale) differed. Not only today the kit manufacturers sell a model from one tool as different kits (Lindbergs pirate ships were formerly "La Flore", "Royal Sovereign" and "Wappen von Hamburg"). Modellers greetings Axel Wolters Moenchengladbach, Germany -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: schiefet@cs.com Subject: Re: Okinawa Sinkex >> Any web site pictures? This would be interesting. Sounds like she lasted longer that the OK City. << Devin & fellow SMMLies, There is a picture of the USS Guam taking a hit prior to her sinking. It is on the USS Guam home page and is one of the last images on the page. I would be interested in seeing more of these images as well. Only because it is such a different view than we are used to. Steve Pelham, NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: SSNBuff@aol.com Subject: Re: Okinawa Sinkex >> Okay, this may just be me, but I have this morbid fascination with photos and film of ships sinking. I have a huge digital photo of an Adams class DDG taking the final plunge, a movie file of an Australian DD being torpedoed in a weapons test. Am I the only one that that has this affliction? :) << Devin, regarding your "morbid" fascination: Nah, you just sound like a submariner! Dean -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: Re: The Count Von Luckner The correct name would be Felix Graf von Luckner (also could be called Graf Luckner, but not Graf von Luckner!!) Friedrich The FriedrichFiles http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/flagship.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Re: Felix von Luckner I would love to get more details of Luckner's life after WW1. Did he die in 1931 or did he live through/participate in that later less courteous later war etc. ken auslander -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "David Clark" Subject: 1/72 white metal model Flak M42 for the Revell S-100 Guido Hopp's review and construction article about the Revell S-100 Schnellboot is available at ModelWarships.com ( http://www.modelwarships.com/index1.html ). It is a very informative and useful article but Guido's use of a hybrid Flak 43 from Hasegawa's 1/72 "Flakpanzer IV Ostwind" Anti-Aircraft tank is a glaring error. The S-100 used the naval 3.7cm Flak M42 that was quite different to the Ostwind's gun. The WEM etched brass detail set for the Revell S-100 includes details for the kit Flak M42 that should make it more than acceptable to the discerning modeller. However, there is another option: MGM produces a white metal model of the Flak M42 in 1/72 scale and an example can be seen on Hans van Oerle's 1/76 AFV Workshop web site (http://home.hccnet.nl/h.van.oerle/). MGM kits, including the Flak M42 are available from Tracks-n-Troops (http://www.tracks-n-troops.com/MGM.htm). MGM also make a U-boat Flak 37 and an example is shown on the 1/76 AFV Workshop web site. David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Another thread? Well, now, VOL 1759 was a winner. Although I knew (at some point in the far distant past) much of what SMML respondents said, having read and been impresssed by Lowell Thomas' book about Count Von Luckner as a kid, I enjoyed seeing that so many people are still aware of his exploits, and appreciate their tweaking my recollection process. And I picked up some stuff that I hadn't known about. Thanks, SMML. And, by Joe, wouldn't The Sea Devil make a great movie, if only the Hollywood types would stay out of it? I heard that Revell made a kit some considerable time ago, but it was riddled with inaccuracies. That would make a good kit-bashing project, find a Revell kit, do some research, and alter the kit to make it right. Of course it would be nice if a kit manufacturer were to make it correctly from the start. I guess the claim stands that the little-known Battle of Durazzo was indeed the only battle of WW1 in which the U.S.Navy participated, being represented only by eleven wooden-hulled 110 Ft submarine chasers. Remember, battle is here defined as planned, systematic, and coordinated large-scale activities, with a pre-determined objective, as opposed to other events such as convoys, routine patrols, and isolated incidents. This is in no way intended to deprecate or belittle the Navy's importance in WW 1, merely to recognize a fact of life. Many other sailors died or were wounded in these non-battle engagements, all part of the Big Picture. They have earned their right to honor. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: SMS Seeadler kit Revell put out a kit of the Seeadler at one time. It sometimes turns up on Ebay, and usually sells for $20 - $30 (US). Be forewarned: The Revell Seeadler kit is really the USCGC Eagle kit, with square sails on the mizzen mast. (Eagle is bark-rigged, not ship-rigged.) Bill Check out my US Coast Guard subjects model list at: http://www.tiac.net/users/billkaja/kitlist.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume