Subject: SMML VOL 1775 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:16:33 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: I need some help! 2: Re: Cockpit canopies 3: Re: Japanese Steel Deck Colors 4: Torpedo dropping gear 5: Canopy painting 6: Re: Japanese Steel Deck Colors 7: Micro mask 8: Re: Japanese Steel Deck Colors 9: Skywave naval base 10: Canopy framing painting thin lines 11: ship scrapping 12: Item on e-bay, Cheap so far for desirable book 13: Coral Sea Scrapping 14: Paris Hobby shops / Military museums -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Lexington's are back! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "James Britten Stokes" Subject: I need some help! I have a 1:105 scale model of her majesties former yacht Britannia that was built for me in England (wooden scratch built) and was somewhat damaged in shipping to Manzanita, Oregon, USA. The insurance company wants me to find someone to make the repairs (and I need a written estimate) here in Oregon. How do I find a serious model man to do this? James Stokes Manzanita, Oregon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: Cockpit canopies John Rule observed:- >> I trust we are not talking about 1:700 scale here. << Actually, I'd also like to know how to handle canopy outlines in 1:700 scale. Dan Kaplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: Japanese Steel Deck Colors >> What color did the IJN use for steel decks? I have the S&S color ships but they only have hull colors, deck tan and linoleum. Looking at the models on the various web sites the decks seem to be painted the same color as the hull. Is this a correct interpretation? << Yes, it is. Hull and metal decks, same color. Dan Kaplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Ron Hillsden Subject: Torpedo dropping gear David Muir asked about torpedo dropping gear used in 1880's torpedo boats. I wasn't aware that there was a method other than tubes used to launch torpedoes. So this became an elusive and interesting little read. I discovered that the launches fitted with spar torpedoes were subsequently fitted with slings to launch the Whitehead "automobile" torpedoes. After that, it seems the common method to launch from a torpedo boat became a fixed tube on the bow. While there is a fair bit of material on the development of the boats, there isn't much on the launch system for the weapon. I did come across this passage in John Leathers "World Warships in Review 1860-1906" (ISBN 0 356 080765): "During 1880-4 the British Admiralty ordered some second class, 17 - knot torpedo boats for coastal defence, carrying a torpedo in dropping gear on each side; a method used in large steam pinnaces carried on board battleships and large cruisers." And then I opened Warship X, page 113, "The Torpedoboat Rap". The Norwegian government bought a torpedo boat from Thorneycroft in 1872. It still exists in the Norwegian Naval Museum. The launch systems were: from 1873: 2 towed torpedoes, one from each bow, Harvey's system. from 1875: 2 rod torpedoes mounted one on each bow. Each 15m rod was fitted with a fixed torpedo in the end. The war head comprised 35kg wet gun cotton. from 1879: 2 Whitehead self propelled torpedoes mounted in railtubes on the deck. The tubes could be lowered over the ships side into the water, and the torpedo was fired from the bridge. This was very interesting. If you don't have access to this, David send me a note and I'll return a scan. Ron Hillsden Victoria BC Canada flags: http://members.shaw.ca/modelflags/ club: http://members.shaw.ca/VMSS/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Topy Yester" Subject: Canopy painting Hello Friends, I'm not a real ship modeler, so I cannot add much on techniques but some things maybe from an other point of view. To my best knowledge USN a/c cockpit interiors were coloured aluminium lacquer until 1942 when it was changed into FS 34151 Interior Green. There are some specialities like early F4U-1 salmon pink and Eastern TBM Avenger Grumman grey or Bronze Green cockpit colours, but they are not usual. I'm pretty much convinced, that cockpit colours could be seen on aircrafts from bigger distances and so they are visible in 1/700 scale as well. I'd like to suggest using aluminium colour with a drop of flat base for the pre-war aircrafts. On the other hand, the TBD e.g. had a large greenhouse canopy, I guess it would be about 4-5 mm in 1/700 scale. This size of canopy could be modeled using a little transparent palstic fragment polished into right shape. I hope this helps, Zsolt from Hungary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: VonsHobbyWorld@aol.com Subject: Re: Japanese Steel Deck Colors Bruce, The steel deck colors would be the same as the hull color, but you may want to darken or lighten slightly. On some of the ships, the stern area was actually concrete slabs, so in this area you would see a more noticeable color change of darker or lighter. Hope this helps. Dan von Gartzen Model Fleet Webmaster/Editor http://pub34.ezboard.com/bmodelfleet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Micro mask Where can one buy micro mask Ken Auslander -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Filipe C. Ramires" Subject: Re: Japanese Steel Deck Colors Hi there AFAIK the colour used in Japanese steel decks is the same used in the hull. At least, in all the models, manufacturers and sources that I had access for the subject, they always present the same colour for the hull and steel decks. Nevertheless, the decks might have a different colour when the ship is too long at sea, in other words, you might need to pay attention to the effect of the rust and shadows in the deck. I would advise a small dry-brush of rust and dark or lighter grey in some parts of the deck. Another thing: just make sure that the decks are really made of steel. In early war most of the Japanese ships had linoleum decks and only after they discovered how inflammable this material was they changed it by steel plates (this is very common with destroyers). This mistake is very important to take into account, that's why I have my destroyer Yunagi (1944 version) still with linoleum decks!!!!!!!!!!! Bad move indeed...how should I change her??? It is already complete and in diorama!!!!!!! Hope this helps. Regards. Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL P.S.: Hardly working to finish my graduation!!!!!! Ships only in the Summer!!!!:( -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Sab1156@aol.com Subject: Skywave naval base Does anyone knows,where to get the Skywave No.9 (Naval Base)??? Its a discontinued item. Any help is appreciated. Detlef Hartwig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: " Kjetil Lindahl" Subject: Canopy framing painting thin lines Paint canopy with gloss paint. Use a scalpel to cut the frames into the canopy. Give it a wash with frame color and then wipe it off. The paint will remain in the recessed lines. This leaves very thin straight panel lines. Kjetil Lindahl -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: ship scrapping I remember some years ago (I wonder how many auusies would remember this) on 60 Minutes they showed the ship scrapping facilities in was it Pakistan or India..cant recall (I also think that an Australian ship was being sent there one of the swan type DE's perhaps?? or was it just a story starter cant recall) .. & they were there in time for a British warship or RFA ship that served in the Falklands & the captain was on board & he had a skeleton crew & it was his job to ram the ship into the mud flats,( which was both sad & enjoyable for him ) & the people work on the ship while it sits on the mud flats & they just cut huge chunks off & let them fall to the ground & another lot of people then just attach ropes to it & drag the pieces away for cutting into smaller pieces .. there were thousands of these people all moving around & then at the end of the day they all live just outside the compound & start bright & early the next day..it was sad seeing probably a dozen or more ships just sitting on the low tide or mud flats with huge chunks falling off them -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Sam Pullig Subject: Item on e-bay, Cheap so far for desirable book Good item on e-bay Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War Item # 1545810142 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Virginia Katz Subject: Coral Sea Scrapping >> Great web site on the Coral Sea. I think that really puts it into perspective about what a deplorable, horrible process it is to scrap our beautiful, and loved ships. However, it is also apparent that it is a necessary evil. But it still makes me sick to look at those pictures. << Well, at least I am not the only one who gets sick to his stomach at the sight of those pictures! Honestly, I couldn't get through all of them. I was aboard the Coral Sea as a Midshipman/Cadet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Cecil Childers" Subject: Paris Hobby shops / Military museums I will be in Paris in August and then travel to Edinburgh. What good shops/military museums can the group point me towards. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "shaya" Subject: Lexington's are back! http://www.modelshipbuilding.com/700lexington.htm To all SMML'ers the 1/700 Lexington is back and less expensive. Take off 10% SMML Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume