Subject: SMML VOL 1776 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:43:54 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Japanese Steel Deck Colors 2: SMML Volume #1776 3: ROBOT ARMY HEADS TO ARTIC GRAVE OF "SPY SHIP" 4: Re: Skywave Naval Base 5: Re: Torpedo dropping gear 6: Painting canopy frames 1:700 7: Re: I need some help! 8: Re: Hobby Shops/Museums, Paris & Edinburgh 9: Re: Titanic painting 10: Re: I need some help! 11: Adriatic trip 12: Re: I need some help! 13: 1/400 Titanic help 14: Re: Torpedo dropping devices -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Japanese Steel Deck Colors >> What color did the IJN use for steel decks? I have the S&S color ships but they only have hull colors, deck tan and linoleum. Looking at the models on the various web sites the decks seem to be painted the same color as the hull. Is this a correct interpretation? << Hi Bruce, Someone may well correct me here, but I believe that the steel decks were indeed painted the same color as the vertical surfaces. As for the Deck Tan, be advised that that is not an approximation for wood decks; it was a paint color used in those camouflage patterns used on IJN carrier flight decks. Cheers, John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises and White Ensign Models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: SMML Volume #1776 This issue of SMML is number #1776, an auspicious date for most Yankee Doodle Dandies of American persuasion, and it also represents another benchmark of sorts for SMML. It seems fitting and proper, therefore, to offer congratulations to Shane and Lorna for both their longevity and all their hard work. Good show, you two! Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Nautical Research Guild -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: ROBOT ARMY HEADS TO ARTIC GRAVE OF "SPY SHIP" Under sea wreck-hunters, forensic experts and a small army of robot are heading deep into the Artic Ocean in a quest to unravel the mystery of a cold war "spy ship" that sank in ferocious storms with the loss of all aboard. The expedition plans to sail from the Scottish port of Aberdeen on Wednesday. The Gaul, a trawler from the northern english fishing port of Hull, vanished with all 36 hands off Norway's North Cape in Feb 1974, leaving only a lifebuoy & a few dozen families waiting. British Shiping minister hoped that this second & final survey will bring back evidence to bring to a close the Gaul families' patient wait to discover the fate of their loved ones. Shipping experts say British Intelligence agents regularly press-ganged north sea trawlers into heplping them in cold war missions. The Gaul's resting place in the Artic ocean was close to Soviet Artic ports and on a main route for soviet nuc subs. The ministry of Defence has denied in the past that the Gaul was involved in espionage duties. A formal investigation in 1974 conculded that the ship was lost due to the storms, butin 1998 deputy PM J. Prescott reopened the investigation after a govt survey of the wreck revealed "important new evidence". They will cut a hole in the side of the ship & inject mini robots where they will be able to fly around inside collecting any evidence of foul play. Many theories have been raised, especially a Soviet torpedo or sunk while coming along side a NATO warship durin a heavy storm. Another theory is that a upwelling of seafloor gas "bermuda triangle effect" could have knocked the fated trawler out of the water so they will also be checking the sea bed for any clues -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Skywave Naval Base Ray Bean here from Canada....I have a full intact set..email me at stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca for asking price and shipping...to where?? RDB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: tkremer Subject: Re: Torpedo dropping gear IIRC didn't Hemingway write a short story about a British MTB crew in WW1... where the live torpedo was somehow dropped over the transom & the boat them speeded up & got the heck out of the way??? And is some dusty corner of memory I seem to recall actually seeing pictures of the type of boats he was talking about. Tom K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Franz Aigner GmbH" Subject: Painting canopy frames 1:700 Go to http://www.oshipy.com/users/omami/e-frame-gallery-kaga-make.htm chapter 5 and see what can be done. For those of you who can read Japanese, there is a link to an article dealing with detailing 1:700 planes at the bottom of this page. Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: Re: I need some help! I think you will find someone in Oregon who can do the repairs of Britannia. Go the Nautical Research Guild website: http://www.naut-res-guild.org/ Here you will find what you are looking for. You can also correspond with the guild in order to get help. Ulrich Rudofsky -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: Hobby Shops/Museums, Paris & Edinburgh Dear Cecil, I can't tell you anything about Paris, but I can point you in a few directions regarding Edinburgh. But Edinburgh in August? Are you there at Festival time? If so, have you already got your accomodation booked, 'cos the city will be heaving with massed crowds of humanity! That aside, lots to see and/or spent your hard earned pennies on. Museums:- Edinburgh Castle. Plenty to see in the castle, including approx 3 regimental museums and the National War Memorial, which is remarkably moving. Royal Yacht Britannia, at Leith, couple of miles from city centre. I think they are opening up more of the ship each year to visitors. Hobby Shops:- Wonderland Models, Lothian Road. 10 mins walk from castle. Very wide range of plastic, and often with some good bargains to be had on kits that have got to the end of their first rush of popularity. Does not have much in the way of aftermarket bits and pieces. Marionville Models, 42 Turnhouse Rd. On western edge of city. Tends to concentrate more on R/C so not such a good range of plastic. If you have access to a car, may I suggest some places a bit farther afield? Glasgow (1.5hrs by car) Jamieson's Models, Saltmarket. Wide range of plastic, all subjects, large and small producers. Also some resin, mainly afvs and figures, and lots of photo-etch. (Mention my name and I may get a discount next time I'm in!) Regarded by many as the best purely model shop in Scotland. Museum of Transport, Kelvin Hall. Lots of ship models, mainly of vessels built on the Clyde. No admission charge for Scotland's national museums. The "Glenlee", by the Scottish Exhibition Centre. Restored sailing barque. Don't know much about it. "Clydebuilt", at Braehead Shopping Centre. Exhibition about shipbuilding on the Clyde. Again, not been there myself, but reported to be very good. Other places to go with a car from Edinburgh:- Dundee. HMS Discovery, Captain Scott's ship. Also HMS Unicorn, 19th century frigate. Very interesting to see, especially regarding construction and internal layout, but perhaps a bit sad looking. If you are interested in smaller boats and ships that lack guns and missiles, and if it's a nice day, you could do worse than go to the Scottish Fisheries Museum, at Anstruther, Fife. Beatiful old fishing village and a really sweet museum. Museum of Flight, East Fortune Airfield. Doubtless Ian Hanratty will tell you something about this. Have a good time, and I hope this gives you some ideas. Regards, David Griffith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ted0330@aol.com Subject: Re: Titanic painting I don't think I qualify as an expert, just another guy struggling in the modelling wilderness. Thoughts- A white fine tip marker might do it- check notions stores like Michael's (in the US). If the area needing painting is raised slightly I've used a Q-tip dipped in the paint and blotted flat to paint items like deck gear. This might work for your windows. Ted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: ELLshipmodeler@aol.com Subject: Re: I need some help! Check the Nautical Research Guild's web site for people who repair models. I'm not sure if there is someone in the immediate area, but there may be someone near enough to make contact possible. www.Naut-Res-Guild.org Gene Larson Alexandria, Virginia Member, NRG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: CokerRE@aol.com Subject: Adriatic trip I am making a trip to Europe in October and am thinking about traveling down the eastern shore of the Adriatic from Trieste to Dubrovnik. Can anyone advise me as to whether there are any good naval museums in these cities with ship model displays. I know there is one in Trieste and a fine maritime library in Pula (Pola). Any advice would be appreciated. PC Coker/Charleston -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Re: I need some help! James wrote >> I have a 1:105 scale model of her majesties former yacht Britannia that was built for me in England (wooden scratch built) and was somewhat damaged in shipping to Manzanita, Oregon, USA. The insurance company wants me to find someone to make the repairs (and I need a written estimate) here in Oregon. How do I find a serious model man to do this? << Vince McCullough of the Nautical Research Guild is a member of this list. Contact him. The NRG offers a appraisal service (for insurance purposes) and can probably direct you to a conservator in your area. Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: David Miller Subject: 1/400 Titanic help Russ, You can find one of the white marker pens in the craft area of Wal-Mart or at Hobby Lobby, they are not that hard to find if you know where to look. They are probably in the stamping supplies. White pens sound good in theory, but... they do not work all that hot. They actually dispense thin white "paint" and you have to depress the tip to get it to flow, and they splotch and clog. Very little control - nothing like an extra fine felt tip, black ink pen. Regards, Dave Miller, Macomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Torpedo dropping devices I seem to recall a recent documentary about PT Boats on the History Channel, and it showed briefly (very briefly) an early pincer-like device suspended over the side, having just dropped a torpedo. It may have been on an early British torpedo boat. In some pictures of U.S. PT Boats there were four on-deck torpedo housings, two on each side. I can imagine the two forward torpedoes being launched by being ejected forward, but I have difficulty figuring out how the two after torpedoes were launched, as the pictures I have seen show the after tubes very close to and directly behind the forward tubes. Perhaps I am missing something. Comments will be appreciated. Thanks. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume