Subject: SMML VOL 1777 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:02:47 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: WW I Torpedoboat story 2: Re: Torpedo dropping gear 3: musems in paris 4: Re: I need some help!/Japanese Steel Deck Colors 5: Re: SMML Volume 1776 6: Torpedo Dropping Gear 7: Model shops, etc, in Brussels 8: Re: Torpedo dropping devices 9: Re: Cockpit canopies 10: Re: Torpedo dropping gear 11: Re: SMML VOL 1776 12: HUCKINS PT 95-102 series 13: Admirals 14: Canopies in 1/700 15: Re: smml 1776 & a few other things 16: Colosus Class 17: Re: Painting canopy frames 1:700 18: Re: Japanese Steel Deck Colors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Daniel H Jones Subject: Re: WW I Torpedoboat story From: tkremer >> IIRC didn't Hemingway write a short story about a British MTB crew in WW1... where the live torpedo was somehow dropped over the transom & the boat them speeded up & got the heck out of the way??? << It was not written by Hemingway.. it was a story by William Faulkner - called "Turnabout". >> And is some dusty corner of memory I seem to recall actually seeing pictures of the type of boats he was talking about. << Plans, photos, and good information about these WW I British motor torpedoboats can be found in a long out of print book called "Fast Fighting Boats" by Harald Fock. If ever a book deserved to be re-printed, that is one! You can probably get a copy to look at through inter-library loan. Dan Jones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: Torpedo dropping gear Tom Kremer is most likely referring to the CMBs (Coastal Motor Torpedo Boats) that came in 40' and 55' versions. The 40' one carried a single torpedo that was kicked out of a central trough behind the cockpit by a ram. The speeding boat would then veer out of the way. The 50' one carried two torpedoes in two troughs. There is a good display, including the hull of a forty footer at the Imperial War Museum in Duxford -- not just for winged thingies. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: musems in paris Musee de la Marine opposite the Eiffel Tower at the Palais Chaillot military museum and Napoleon's tomb at Les Invalides Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: I need some help!/Japanese Steel Deck Colors Hi Jim, I suggest you start by contacting the National Maritime Museum in San Francisco. Their collection includes many fine models, and they may be able to direct you to someone who can help. Hi Felipe, The IJN did not necessarily remove linoleum from weather decks topside. Like the USN, they concentrated on removing flammables below decks. Photos of the cruiser AOBA and other ships taken after the end of the war show topside linoleum deck coverings still in place. So your YUNAGI may well be OK with linoleum decks in 1944. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Filipe C. Ramires" Subject: Re: SMML Volume 1776 Blast!!! I forgot to celebrate the SMML Volume nº 1143. Keep up the good work!!! Filipe C. Ramires Lisboa, PORTUGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Kathleen Reid Subject: Torpedo Dropping Gear The author of the story Tim K remembers was William Faulkner, not Hemingway, and its title is Turn About. The boats in question were Thornycroft CMBs which did indeed carry and launch their torpedo(s) from a trough aft. Such boats made a successful raid against Soviet heavy units in Kronstadt harbor post-war. John Reid -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "John Clements" Subject: Model shops, etc, in Brussels I am visiting Brussels for a few days in July and wondered if anyone knew of any worthwhile model shops there, or of anything of nautical interest. Thanks, John Clements -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Daniel" Subject: Re: Torpedo dropping devices >> In some pictures of U.S. PT Boats there were four on-deck torpedo housings, two on each side. I can imagine the two forward torpedoes being launched by being ejected forward, but I have difficulty figuring out how the two after torpedoes were launched, as the pictures I have seen show the after tubes very close to and directly behind the forward tubes. Perhaps I am missing something. Comments will be appreciated. << The front ends of the tubes were cranked out over the side and the torpedoes fired at an angle to the direction the bow was pointing. Later, the tubes were dispensed with and the torps were simply rolled off the side. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: HAZEGRAYADM@aol.com Subject: Re: Cockpit canopies With my Bogue (CVE-9)I placed 4 F4Fs w/ the canopies all opened as they would be on deck, making it an even smaller item to paint. I used an enamel chrome silver w/ a slight tint of lite blue. It did rather well at the IPMS nats in 2001, but I think the judges were more swayed by the expression on the faces of the LSO & the pilots in 1/700! Now if you believe that, I would like to talk to you about some Enron stock I have for sale. Bert McD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Lars Scharff" Subject: Re: Torpedo dropping gear Hi David, in 'Schwarze Gesellen', Vol. 1 by Harald Fock is a drawing of a Thornycroft torpedo dropping gear contained. The torpedo looks like those from Whitehead (fish style). There is also one photo of the torpedo boat II. class N° 42 with torpedo dropping gear and a drawing of the Thornycroft torpedo boats II. class N° 55-62 also with torpedo dropping gear. There is not much about the Acheron and the Avernus, only a small text part with technical data. I can scan you the drawings next weekend. Best regards Lars Scharff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: SMML VOL 1776 >> In some pictures of U.S. PT Boats there were four on-deck torpedo housings, two on each side. I can imagine the two forward torpedoes being launched by being ejected forward, but I have difficulty figuring out how the two after torpedoes were launched, as the pictures I have seen show the after tubes very close to and directly behind the forward tubes. << The torpedo tubes on ELCO and HUCKINS boats pivoted on the aft saddle. On the forward saddle, a threaded rod from the training gear ran through an articulated fitting. The tubes were cranked outboard approximately 8 degrees (forward) and 12 degrees (aft) by a torpedoman turning a tall speed wrench plugged into the top of the training gear housing. There's a great photo of a sailor doing just that on page 73 of Frank Johnson's UNITED STATES PT BOATS OF WORLD WAR II. The MK19 tubes on HIGGINS boats were non-trainable and were fixed at their firing angle. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: HUCKINS PT 95-102 series Does anyone out there have any FACTORY drawings for the HUCKINS PT 95-102 series? I'm not interested in anything but original plans. The set HUCKINS is advertising on their website is for an experimental version and it is quite different from the production boats. The PT Boat Museum doesn't seem to have them and the only one I have in my collection is a docking plan. The HUCKINS will be included in ACF V3 and I can do a reasonable job with what I have, but would like to be as accurate as possible. Thanks. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Sam Pullig Subject: Admirals I'm the one who should be answering this but I do not know the answer. I believe before the war there was an active and retired list, and you took your place on either list. Leahy had been retired but came back on active duty, King was CNO or CnC. before Fleet Admiral who out ranked whom? After Fleet Admiral? Any other players? Thanks Sam Pullig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: SAMI ARIM Subject: Canopies in 1/700 Painting canopies in 1/700 was never satisfactory for me, so I decided to go to a different route and cut them off, drilled the cockpit and filled the empty space with 5 minute clear epoxy. I applied small amounts to keep the shape in control. After the canopy is finished and dried I could sand and gave it a more correct shape. A touch of future will make it clear and shiny again. The frames are more difficult in this scale. I tried to use the thinnest rapidograph, which is .1, free hand, or cut very thin black decal strips and apply with future. Both techniques require carefull attention, otherwise won't look good. Regards, Sami Arim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Re: smml 1776 & a few other things Here here.. for all their hard work , good job ! saw in thew news this morning the Royal Airforce fly by for the Queen, I bet that was a sight..lucky buggers Tamiya 1/700 scale destroyer harusame: Ok looking at the box for colour im saying a dark grey, so the humbrol dark grey would do..what about the WEM IJN range..what would best suite this ship???..also the box art shows 3 white stripes & the rear box art shows 1 thick white stripe.. which is correct probbaly both I think but someone might know which stripes are involved in which action or time frame etc Thanks Have a good weekend all Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: roberto paredes Subject: Colosus Class To our Brazilian and Argentinian friends, Does anybody know if there are a Colusus class kit? I would like to build the 'Minas Gerais' (Brazil) or '25 de Mayo' (Argentina). I just saw an article in Steel Navy website about Karel Doorman (later was '25 de Mayo'), but the author didn't include any information to reproduce his great model. Is the author in SMML? Thanks in advance for your help, Roberto Paredes Sitio No Oficial del Ejército y Armada de Chile http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3389/homeffaa.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: Painting canopy frames 1:700 >> Go to http://www.oshipy.com/users/omami/e-frame-gallery-kaga-make.htm chapter 5 and see what can be done. For those of you who can read Japanese, there is a link to an article dealing with detailing 1:700 planes at the bottom of this page. << Thanks, Richard. It's a great reference site. While I have no Japanese language skills, it's clear that pictures and patience (emphasis on the latter) are what's called for. That, and steady hands. No heavy drinking for a while. Thanks, Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Dboykap@aol.com Subject: Re: Japanese Steel Deck Colors >> Another thing: just make sure that the decks are really made of steel. In early war most of the Japanese ships had linoleum decks and only after they discovered how inflammable this material was they changed it by steel plates (this is very common with destroyers). This mistake is very important to take into account, that's why I have my destroyer Yunagi (1944 version) still with linoleum decks!!!!!!!!!!! Bad move indeed...how should I change her??? It is already complete and in diorama!!!!!!! << Actually, stripping off the linoleum off the decks may be over-reported as well as merely inconsistent. There is plenty of photographic, post-war evidence that deck linoleum was NOT stripped off many surviving vessels. All the surviving Akizuki DDs (Fuyuzuki, Suzutzuki, Yoizuki, Harutzuki, Hanazuki, & Natsuzuki, DD Yukizuki, DD Ushio, CA Aoba, & CA Tone, among others, retained their linoleum deck coverings. It may be that the orders governing the stripping of linoloeum applied to interior spaces, but has been misinterpeted here in the West. Dan Kaplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume