Subject: SMML VOL 1784 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 01:43:46 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Interesting item on eBay 2: flower corvettes 3: Re: French Dreadnought Bretagne 4: USS Gloucester 5: Bretagne Battleship 6: USS Tortuga Grounding 7: Re: French Dreadnought Bretagne 8: Bottom colour of RN Ships circa 1990? 9: Carrier kits I'd like to see 10: Re: Plans and or photo of french Dreadnoughts Bretagne 11: Commission pennant mounting 12: Re: IPMS Nats attendees -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Re: IPMS(USA) Nats 2: Re: IPMS 2002 Get Together -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: paulship37@aol.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay I saw this item for sale at eBay End of the Imperial Japanese Navy http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1545705372 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "kevin/sandra" Subject: flower corvettes would anyone happen to have any info on the 4 flowers used by the kriegsmarine in 1940/41. i am about to build a second revell one and would like something a little different kevin mander -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: French Dreadnought Bretagne Hi Jim, Welcome to the list! Great to have you here. Robert Dumas wrote a two-part article on the Bretagne class in Warship issues 38 and 39 (which are found in Warship Volume X). The first part of the article has side and overhead drawings of the Bretagne in 1940. I don't know how helpful these would be, but they're all I have. Robert Dumas also wrote a book called, I think, "Les cuirrasses de 23.000 tonnes," which I think treated both the Courbet and Bretagne classes, but I do not have it and do not know of one for sale. I have a friend who has a copy and would surely be happy to make a copy of any plans of the Bretagne that might be in it. Cheers, Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Edwparent@aol.com Subject: USS Gloucester Can any SMMLies help me find information and plans to build a model of this Spanish American War gunship? It was converted from J.P Morgan's luxury yacht CORSAIR. I found only a couple of photos of this converted ship in the http://history.navy.mil site, photographic section. It looks like they took Morgan's yacht, removed the forward cabin and foremast, added some small guns and painted her grey. Does anyone know of any models of Gloucester or kits of Corsair? Thanks for any help, Ed Parent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "larsenal" Subject: Bretagne Battleship Hello Jim, There is not much available on the Bretagne class in terms of publication over here. Years ago Jean Moulin and Jean Guiglini published a very useful book on the subject " Les cuirassés Français de 23,500 T ", with plans, that is long out of print and highly researched by modelers. Marines Magazine had two articles that are still available: -Issue N° 67, le cuirassé Bretagne by Jean Moulin -Issues N° 71 and 72 about the modifications done on La Lorraine by Luc Féron You can contact Marines for further information at the following link: marines@wanadoo.fr You can also contact me offlist, Best regards from Normandie, Jacques Druel L'Arsenal -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: MIKE.LEONARD@CUSTOMS.TREAS.GOV Subject: USS Tortuga Grounding USS Tortuga CO/XO Relieved of Duty From Naval Surface Force, U.S. Atlantic Fleet Public Affairs NORFOLK, VA (NNS) -- The commanding officer of the Little Creek-based dock landing ship USS Tortuga (LSD 46), Cmdr. Brian Shanahan, and the ship's executive officer Lt. Cmdr. Byron Tracy, were relieved of duty June 19 by Commander, Amphibious Group 2, Rear Adm. Kevin Moran. Based on the preliminary results of an ongoing official investigation, Moran relieved the two officers for the grounding of the ship off the North Carolina coast near Morehead City the night of June 6. The grounding occurred about 1,000 yards off the coast. No one was injured, nor does the ship require any repairs. At the time of the incident, Tortuga was participating in a routine exercise as part of the USS Nassau (LHA 4) Amphibious Ready Group. The ship safely floated off the sand bar at high tide the following morning. Moran has assigned Cmdr. Tom Chassee as the commanding officer. Chassee's most recent assignment was as commanding officer of the Norfolk-based amphibious transport dock USS Ponce (LPD 15). The new executive officer is Lt. Cmdr. Les Cardenas. For more information about Naval Surface Force, U.S. Atlantic Fleet, go to www.cnsl.spear.navy.mil. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Nick and Joy Rogers" Subject: Re: French Dreadnought Bretagne >> This is my first foray into the world of smml message posting, hithertoo only an avid reader of other peoples searches and often astonishingly comprehensively answered questions. So here is my problem (other than building modelboats day & night....) I have in my model collection (the unbuilt one!) a passable model of the French Dreadnought Bretagne as at 1940 in 1/700 in resin manufactured by Delphis models. it has sat in my cupboard for 3-4 years so is now getting ripe to be built! Does anyone out there know of a set of plans or detail photographs of either Bretagne or Lorraine or indeed a ship monograph of either of the ships. I have searched thru all my books and mags and have come up with a fair number of photos all of which appear to be significantly earlier but nothing approaching a drawing of any use. << Hi Jim, If your French is up to it,try this Toulon,France based Ship's Photo Bureau. They have 20 images of the battleship (cuirasse) Bretagne.It's called Marius Bar. Website: http://www.netmarine.net/mariusbar/france/index.htm Superb HMS Nelson model pictures you have posted on the SMML archives. http://smmlonline.com/members/mainbrace/jim_baumann/nelson.html Cheers, Nick Rogers. Auckland, New Zealand -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Mike Kear" Subject: Bottom colour of RN Ships circa 1990? I thought the British Royal Navy painted its ships red below the boot-topping line. But I have a couple of pictures of a Type 21 being launched with what looks like a black bottom. Admittedly the picture is black and white, so it might actually be red, but I do believe it's black all the way from the water line under the keel and back up to the water line. Does anyone know for sure if that's the way the RN painted its ships in the 1990s? I'm going to paint my Type 21 model's hull soon and I want to get that part right at least. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia www.modelwarship.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Donald Bridge Subject: Carrier kits I'd like to see Hi guys The Colossus thread got me thinking about which carrier kits I'd like to see. (After every modern amphib has been done). Well here's a list, please note Santa I want them all in 1/700 so none of those Heller kits please. Colossus class Warrior post '54 Independencia post '58 Arromanches post '58 Minas Gerais post '60, '80, & '93 25th de Mayo post '69 Karel Doorman post '55 Majestics Melbourne post '69 Bonaventure post '68 Vikrant post '83 & '89 Audacious Eagle post '54 & '64 I know I've got the Fujimi but I want a nice one. Ark Royal post '72 Centaurs Hermes 62 & 82 Virrant 88 Albion Bulwark Victorious post '58 and while we are at it Principe de Asturias Chakri Nareubet Charles de Gaulle Foch post '86 Clemanceau post '88 Jeanne D'Arc and finally RFA Argus. Not much to ask for. Is it????????? Don Bridge (Who has a liking for angled decks and ski jumps and AMPHIBS) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Bill Livingston" Subject: Re: Plans and or photo of french Dreadnoughts Bretagne To Jim Baumann Hi Jim, Welcome! Great to see you on here finally. We met briefly at last years IPMS Nationals (I was admiring your Warspite if you recall). I am not able to help you with your query with regard to Bretagne, but I can help you with the email address you were looking for. By coincidence I received an email from Dave Runkle this morning. His original production of HMS Dreadnought finished about six months ago but he is going to do a limited run of 50, the first of which will be available in the middle of next month. Price remains the same at $215 including airmail to anywhere in the world. His email address is: rhino7@attbi.com Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Commission pennant mounting I found it interesting how many otherwise excellent and well detailed U.S.Navy models did not have a Commissioning Pennant. I have forwarded Ted Treadwell's recent "find" of where and how this pennant should be displayed. >> Came across a gem here in Danbury I had previously overlooked, a book published June 1944 by BuPers. It's Navpers #16118, a manual titled "Seamanship." ("Restricted"). It was our textbook at Indoctrination School at Dartmouth in the summer of '42. Remember the question we had regarding how commission pennants were mounted? This quote from P. 56 helps. (Italics theirs): "The top of the mast is called the truck. Above the main truck on a naval vessel in commission is mounted a pigstick from which is flown the commission pennant or, if a flagship, the personal flag of the flag officer. Abaft the mainmast, and making an angle of about 40 degrees with it, extends a small spar known as the gaff. The topmost end of the gaff is called the peak, and it is from this point that the ensign is flown when the ship is underway. The small vertical spars at the bow and stern, from which the union jack and ensign are flown while at anchor, are called the jackstaff and the flagstaff, respectively. Now all we have to find out is how big or small was the pigstick and how mounted on truck. My guess is it was less than 3" long and a couple of screws held it to the truck. << Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Preston L Hassler Subject: Re: IPMS(USA) Nats Hi Shane and Lorna, Please add my name to the list of IPMS convention attendees in Virginia Beach. I plan to be there from Wed night to Sun AM. Thanks, Skip Hassler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: MIKE.LEONARD@customs.treas.gov Subject: Re: IPMS 2002 Get Together >> I would like to suggest a Thursday or Friday evening "Sunset Tour" at 1830 on the American Rover. << Keep those suggestions coming in. If all else fails, we could try to take over the 67th Street Beach Club for a couple of hours. (Back in "politically incorrect" times, it was called the Navy Officers Beach Club.) I'll buy the first round... MWL Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: IPMS Nats attendees I am planning on being there on Friday and Saturday. Mike Settle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume