Subject: SMML VOL 1785 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:43:12 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Bretagne Class 2: Re: grammar, Colossus CVs 3: Merchant vessels company logos 4: Re: Carrier Requests 5: Really, really accurate models 6: Re: Commission pennant mounting 7: Attention I need your permission 8: Re: carriers 9: Searails ship [model] 10: wanted kits list 11: Re: USS Gloucester 12: Russia Blames torpedo fuel for Kursk sinking -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Re: IPMS Nats attendees 2: Re: IPMS Nats attendees 3: Re: IPMS 2002 Get Together -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Bretagne Class >> Does anyone out there know of a set of plans or detail photographs of either Bretagne or Lorraine or indeed a ship monograph of either of the ships. << The best reference for this class is Dumas and Guiglini "Les Cuirassés Français de 23500 Tonnes" published by Editions des 4 Seigneurs in 1980. It consists of a book describing Courbet and Bretagne classes in detail and a separate folder of plans at 1/500 showing all the changes throughout their service. All you require is some knowledge of French or, at least, a French-English dictionary. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: grammar, Colossus CVs Steve Wiper, The word is indeed "inflammable". In this case the "in-" indicates an extreme case, not the opposite case as in, say, "inseperable". Something inflammable is extremely flammable. Good ol' English, always so consistent! Mr. Bean et al, About WEM doing Colossus CVs, please let them catch up on all their already promised projects. I'm worried they're going to go Loony trying to keep up with the demand one of these days. :-) I'm certain they have them in the back of their minds. The problem with those carriers is the major variations between ships of the class over the years. It's similar to the problems in trying to make a "standard" post-WW2 Essex class CV, with decks angled or not, different islands, and varying armaments. Joe Poutre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: William Swan Subject: Merchant vessels company logos Greetings to all as this is my first post since rejoining the list after several years. I would like to get some referrals or advice on where I might obtain decals for shipping company names. To explain a bit further I am looking for decals for the large lettering used on the sides of merchant vessels by companies like United States Lines, Moore-McCormack, etc. I have been buying Revell 1/400 Burleighs to convert to postwar freighters for various shipping lines and many of them feature prominent lettering along the sides of the the ships, while this is not so with HAL, Santa and Matson other lines like the above and Lykes used huge lettering. I suppose I could use dry transfers but I am REALLY terrible at lining those things up. Making my own is out of the range of my talents as well, besides, the lettering is almost always white anyway. Does anyone have suggestions for a source for water slide type decals to suit these projects? Thanks, William Swan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: stillmo@mb.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Carrier Requests ditto from me....ditto ditto on all of your wants. Even one Generic axial deck hull for a lot of these could mean easy conversions. Looking from a guaranteed sales point of vew....a RN HMS HERMES, Falklands War would be a high seller. RDB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Really, really accurate models I know that a lot of you modelers go to a lot of trouble to make your models very, very accurate, especially with PE additions. However, the one thing that still bothers me is that when I see a model that represents a ship that has been in service for a long time or in a diorama, I see know "oil canning" (sp) of the hull. Meaning you cannot see the frame of the ship where the action of the water has pushed in the hull plates. Probably 1/700 is out of the question and even 1/350 might be hard - but I do think that some of the landing craft/ships that Lindberg puts out would look terrific. In fact I am not sure I have even seen a real one that did not have that effect on it, including the ever present rust. Destroyer usually have a lot of it, most noticeably on their sterns as can be seen by current pictures of the recently returned museum ship ORLECK. Any comments?? Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: Commission pennant mounting Actually one reason for not having a commissioning pennant on a model is the size. Generally the pennant would be 4 (10cm) inches wide. At 1700 scale, that would be .005 inches wide, or about equal to the finest traces on the smallest printed circuit boards. Most of your PE is thicker than that. At that size, even if you could print the design, you would never see it. A fine thread left hanging would probably do. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "shaya" Subject: Attention I need your permission After discussing this with Shane I would like to add a thread of the tips you gave on the aircraft canopies on our site's HELP page. Looking for permission from these SMML'ers. Your names will be with your tip. Jeff Herne James Corley Sami Arim Bert McD Kjetil Lindal AAA Hobbies Chris Drage 2- John's Email permission to shaya@erols.com Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Glockboy56@aol.com Subject: Re: carriers I've got to cast my vote for every ship listed,as well as an axial deck Midway class CV. Anybody else? Bob McClain -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Craig Palmer" Subject: Searails ship [model] Hi I am wanting to confirm that this firm is still in operation. Searails,Stone Harbor Intermodal Facility,8380 Camp road,Sebastopol,Ca 95472. They make or made a modulal ship model in 1/87 scale. Thanks Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: wanted kits list with Donald's want list, & with only about 6 months till Xmas, what would you like to see in store by xmas (well maybe xmas 2003 or 2004 perhaps) me a 1/700 scale Gato class sub early style ( Wahoo etc ) or a conversion for the Tamiya/Skywave bridge to make it look like some of the later war style gato's A conversion for the Lexington (fujimi 1/700), from whatever year that kit is to represent (about 1938 or something I think) to when it was sunk at Coral Sea All the 1/700 scale torpedo MTB for German, Italian, British & US navy in their various configurations maybe that Italian ship that launched the attack on Malta with those Chariots ..but I must say there are a lot coming online with 1/700 scale & now with the opening of many eastern European companies or whatever im happy to see many more Jap/ German/ British/ US ships especially transports & now we are getting a lot of Italian & French stuff..we should not forget the ships that served in smaller navies Polish.. Norway/Denmark etc well anyhow there is still a lot to build & I only seem to build a 2 destroyers a year , really should build something else as well for end of year comp well anyhow looking forward to see what people want under their xmas trees -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: USS Gloucester Ed asked - >> Does anyone know of any models of Gloucester or kits of Corsair? << Not that it really helps any, but I'm fairly certain there's a big model in the collection of the Washington Navy Yard Museum. MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Russia Blames torpedo fuel for Kursk sinking "The final report into the Kursk submarine disaster said on Monday a torpedo fuel leak casued the massive explosion which sank the sub with the loss of all 118 crew. The senior govt minister who headed the commission which complied the report said investigators had made their findings after key elements from the torpedo bay were raised from the wreck. "a thermal explosion of components of the class 298A PV torpedo caused the disaster. It happened as a result of a leak of hydrogen peroxide and the ignition of materials in the torpedo tube, then the Kursk was destroyed after a second explosion set of parts of the armaments stored in the first compartment of the Kursk. Navy chief Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov said in February that the model of the torpedo used by the Kursk was being withdrawn. Although no one had been criminally responisble for the disaster, President Putin last December demoted 3 top navy commanders & sacked 8 admirals in the Northern Fleet to which the kursk belonged." seems a shame really when the admirals were probably just carrying orders from the Kremlin & any complaints or concerns about safety were probably dismissed or filed as "too hard". Maybe the designers/company of the torpedo or the people who allowed such equipment should be held resonsible, but like everything else ..top people don't take the blame they pass it on to someone else .. especially since as people here have said..other navies banned this style of torpedo sometime in the 50's or 60's as being too dangerous... It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to see that something as dangerous as that in a fleet that is literally falling apart is not a good combination. Guess they had something to prove to make people think that the Great Russian Empire is as strong as ever or able to attack & destroy any enemy fleet ...well that's my 2 cents worth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: RLapadura@aol.com Subject: Re: IPMS Nats attendees Hi, I'll be there!!! Bob LaPadura PS Who's taking the Norfolk tour on Friday morning? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: BECJPARKER@aol.com Subject: Re: IPMS Nats attendees As of 1 July this is the list for IPMS Nationals. I'll continue to add new names to it every day or so and repost it. CHARLIE PARKER BRADFORD CHAUCER BOB HEALY JAMES CORLEY RAY BEAN TED PARIS JOHN WARNAKE MIKE BISHOP HUGH LETTERLY DAVID ANGELO STEVE LAU VINCENT MCCULLOUGH SKIP HASSLER MIKE SETTLE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: IPMS 2002 Get Together >> I would like to suggest a Thursday or Friday evening "Sunset Tour" at 1830 on the American Rover. << Just got this back from the American Rover. >> We do offer group rates for groups of 15 or more. On the 2 hour cruise it is $13pp, on the 3 Hour cruise it is $18pp. Tom Van Benschoten Rover Marine, Inc. P.O. Box 3125 Norfolk, VA 23514 p) 757-627-7245 f) 757-627-6626 << Is there anybody on SMML that is in the Tidewater area? Perhaps if there is, they could actually arrange it, otherwise I will continue. We do need a reservation to guarantee space for such a large number - it's really blow to show up and they'd only let half of us on. They didn't tell me what sort of reservation is needed, but $18 isn't too bad, $6 per hour to go look at ships! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume