Subject: SMML VOL 1791 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:45:10 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: decals 2: Re: Oil Canning 3: Re: Merchant ship colors and flags 4: Re: Motor Torpedo Boats 5: Re: Oil Canning 6: here's one for you fans of old ships & treasure 7: Re: Facination with sinking ships 8: Interesting items on eBay 9: Driving from the Delmarva Penninsula 10: CSS Manassas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Re: IPMS Attendees 4 July 02 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: David Fisher Subject: decals William Swan: Contact www.ModelFlags.comin the UK. Their email is ModelFlags@aol.com. They helped me with US flags and lettering for a WWII Hog Islander. They were very responsive. Dave Fisher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Charles Jones Subject: Re: Oil Canning One technique I remember reading about some years ago in the aircraft world also involved replicating this oil-canning effect since if you look at most aircraft they are also effected by the same thing. This technique involved using regular Testors clearcoat paint straight from the bottle and using this to outline the frames. What this then does is to create a slightly raised outline of the ribs & stringers (the actual result of oil-canning). You could also lightly polish the "ribs" after the final coat of paint is applied to create a slightly different sheen to the raised areas. I believe that the key is to keep it subtle since the actual deflection of the metal between the ribs is maybe 1/2" (most cases) and being able to see this effect has usually been dependent on the sun angle. While I have not tried it on a ship myself it is simply being submitted for your consideration. Charles S. Jones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: Re: Merchant ship colors and flags There is a nice set of 21 German house logos at: http://www.biedekarken.de/ Click on "Schornsteine" and then "Deutsche Handelsmarine". I also recall that Lloyd's Register had annual volumes of all merchants and yacht clubs in color. I wonder, if they still do that and have made it to the Internet yet? Ulrich Rudofsky -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Fkbrown90@aol.com Subject: Re: Motor Torpedo Boats Many thanks to the SMML members for their interesting and informative responses to my query about launching and guiding torpedoes. Whilst researching my WW 1 Subchaser I came across a description of a Royal Navy CMB (Coastal Motor Boat) on pages 82 through 84 of A.W.Moffat's book "Maverick Navy". The CMB, of 1918 vintage, were 55 foot hydroplanes carrying two 21" torpedoes, presumably suspended below the hull. The boats could cruise at 50 knots, driven by two Rolls Royce aviation engines, and had a crew of two men. From the text I gather that the boats would rise on the hydrofoils at top speed and then be aimed at a target. The torpedo would be dropped when the pilot decided, and the CMB quickly steered to one side. The torpedo would continue straight along the original heading of the CMB at the time of release, a sort of primitive "Fire-and-Forget" operation. While traveling on the hydrofoil at high speed, the CMB did not draw much water, and could easily pass over mines amd harbor nets. Moffat tells of one boat which had the bow of its hull shot away in a raid on a German installation in northern France, It continued at high speed back across the English Channel, the torn-opened hull out of the water as long as speed (and subsequent "lift") was maintained. The pilot roared into home port and right up onto a beach to stop, for if he slowed any, the open bow would have entered the water and the CMB would have sunk immediately. The crews (presumably) were a daredevil lot, and had a 50% casualty rate, too high to consider the program' continuance. All this in 1918, mind you. Franklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: MEDWAY Subject: Re: Oil Canning Instead of difeerent shades, would having patches of a different gloss level have the same effect on the eye? Paint the model, then mask off and use clear satin, matt etc coats to give a "rippled" effect. Michael Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: here's one for you fans of old ships & treasure Salvage tems on Wednesday launched a hunt for a huge haul of sunken treasure looted 350 years ago after a bloody battle inScotland. English firm SUBSEA EXPLORER ltd said it will use mini-subs in its 1 million pound search for gold, jewels & coins lost off the eastern Scottish port of Dundee in Sept 1651 The treasure was looted from the defeated Scots on the orders of Oliver Cromwell. The Scot noblemen had stored their property in Dundee because they thought it was the safest town in Scotland, but it was plaundered by General George Monck. The fleet put out to sea only to meet disaster less than a mile offshore when the ships are believed to have hit a sandbank & sunk beneath the Tay Esturary. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Schiefet@cs.com Subject: Re: Facination with sinking ships >> If you go to http://www.ausbg.org/links.html#photo you will find my collection of links to "sinking warship" pages. << Thanks for sharing these images. Steve Pelham, NH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: paulship37@aol.com Subject: Interesting items on eBay I saw these items for sale at eBay ESCORT CARRIERS & AVIATION SUPPORT SHIPS USN http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1546852965 RUSSIAN MILITARY : SOVIET NAVAL DEVELOPMENTS http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1546383770 The Naval Air War in Korea Aviation http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1546154997 THE MEDITERRANEAN FLEET HMSO http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1546744500 Jap Naval Vessels1869-1945 Vol.1 Battleships http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1745761078 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ed Grune Subject: Driving from the Delmarva Penninsula Craig was asking about driving directions down the Delmarva Penninsula (thats DELaware-MARyland-VirginiA for you non-locals). As a former Maryland/DC suburb resident who hasn't been back there for 5+ years there are some things to find out before you choose your route. If I remember correctly, Highway 13 down the Eastern Shore is an at-grade crossing highway with small towns and traffic lights. If you don't mind seeing the sights it could be a nice drive - if you don't get stuck behind a chicken truck. If you're pushing to get there - the Interstate system will be the way to go. I grew up driving DC Beltway traffic - so traffic volume is no big problem for me! Necessary disclaimer - check with AAA or Maryland and Virginia Departments of Transportation for most up to date information. 1) Do you live north of US 50 and were you planning on driving around the north end of the Cheaspeake Bay? If so - then you'll have Baltimore traffic to contend with. Consider driving south to US50 and take that across the Bay Bridge to Annapolis. You have bypassed the Baltimore traffic. From there you can continue on 50 in to 95 - then south to 64 at Richmond. Or from 50 you can take 301 down, cross the Potomac near Dahlgren and get on US 17 through Fredericksburg, pick up 95 to 64. Highway 301 and 17 will be full-access/at grade crossing highway with traffic lights. 2) I think if I were on the US50 corridor through the center of the Eastern Shore and I was looking for the fastest route - I'd take 50 to Annapolis & 95 as above. 3) South of 50 on the Eastern Shore. Why are you asking this? Take 13 down to the Bay Bridge/ Tunnel. Ed Mansfield, TX by way of Takoma Park, MD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Edwparent@aol.com Subject: CSS Manassas Alan, I have made a conjectural plan for CSS Manassas based on hull lines of the ocean tug Enoch Train as well as other descriptions of her conversion to an armored ram. Bob Holcombe of the Confederate Naval Museum in Columbus GA was kind enough to provide me with all of this material but pointed out that there were still many unanswered questions about the appearance of this vessel. Unlike most existing kit plans and historical sketches of this vessel, my version shows twin stacks side by side similar to a contemporary drawing of a similar ocean going tug by Artist Fitz Hugh Lane. If you are interested in building a model from my plans, please contact me off line and I would be happy to mail you a 1/240 scale copy of them as well as some photos of the model I built from them. In return I only ask that you keep in touch with any new info you may have on this most mysterious of the Confederate ironclads. Best Regards, Ed Parent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: BECJPARKER@aol.com Subject: Re: IPMS Attendees 4 July 02 Here's the latest list of attendees. I spoke with Ted Paris and he has offered to let me put up a message board at his table for SMMLs to leave messages for one another. That should at least give everyone a point to start getting together from. CHARLIE PARKER BRADFORD CHAUCER BOB HEALY JAMES CORLEY RAY BEAN TED PARIS JON WARNEKE MIKE BISHOP HUGH LETTERLY DAVID ANGELO STEVE LAU VINCENT MCCULLOUGH SKIP HASSLER MIKE SETTLE JEFF FENTON LON HEIDLER BRUCE BUCHNER JAY SHERER DAVE JUDY JOHN SHERIDAN STEVE BACKER ED GRUNE BOB SANTOS BOB LAPADURA RUSTY WHITE STEVE COWARDIN JOE SUSZYNSKI MELVIN SMITH WARREN YAUN BOB REDDY CRAIG BENNETT RON MILLARD oh yea and Darren "Hawk one" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume