Subject: SMML VOL 1794 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 01:01:02 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Revell Great Eastern model 2: Re: Russian Sub Colors 3: national archives 4: Here Comes the Navy - VCR Alert 5: BEC and Canada 6: Re: C-3 Hull / USS Tangier Class seaplane tender 7: Re: micro modelling idiocy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Other Places of Interest for IPMS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "David Hathaway" Subject: Re: Revell Great Eastern model Pieter By coincidence I came across this site a week or so ago looking for information about the Schrieber 1:200 card model of her, but the site also has a wealth of pictures, history and a review of the Revell model. http://www.russellwild.co.uk/greateastern/ Regards David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Bill Livingston" Subject: Re: Russian Sub Colors >> For Soviet subs, basic black was always in fashion. In the period you're asking about, red lead was also used. I have photos of SSs up to the Foxtrot (project 641) with the read lead. The forehead and chin sonar windows were silvery grey colored. The window above the WL was sometimes painted over. The waterline and the outlines of the windows, sonar domes, and even some or all of the flooding holes were often picked out in white pin stripe. The deck color often extended a few inches up the sides of adjacent vertical surfaces. If you're weathering, the underlying paint (red, black, grey) often reappeared in patches. I had one photo of a late 50s Whiskey in white, with forest green decks. Newer boats are almost always seen in black. Remember, if the boat is covered in tiles, paint wearing won't uncover the anti- fouling paint. << Hi Joe, I have a Blue Water Navy Akula Class submarine in 350 scale which I bought as a quick build a few weeks ago. I have tried without success to get a reasonably accurate colour guide from the subCommittee and so on, but not had much success at actually posting on there, let alone getting an answer! You seem to have an interest and good knowledge of the subject and seem the ideal person to ask! I know that most Akulas now have a lower hull in red, but I would prefer to have an all over black with silver grey chin radar panel. Could you give me a BASIC guide to the colours I should use bearing in mind I want to do minimal weathering (I was thinking of using 'Dirty Black' as the overall colour, which is a very useful railway colour and is probably more accurately described as a very, very dark grey. I would then use a true black for the wash to pick out the panel lines and so on. But what colour would I use for the sonar panel? 'Silvery grey' could be anything to me! Humbrol or Tamiya paint numbers are preferred because I can go out that day and buy them, but if there is a particular paint that suits then I'll just buy that. Heresy probably, but absolute and total accuracy is not essential. Any drawings anywhere on the shape and size of the sonar window anywhere? I have seen two different versions and either or both may be correct. Thanks for your help. I have been trying to research this myself, but it was looking to becoming a hobby within a hobby, and frankly, my interests really lie in WW2 Royal Navy, not current Russian submarines! Thanks for your help in advance, Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: BiRdMaN32853@aol.com Subject: national archives A few years ago I sent a letter to the NA with she ships name and hull # ..... USS San Diego ACR6 and asked for a list of what plans were still availible. I got back a 2 page list of plans and a list of vendors who will copy them the plans also had scale and demensions so I could gauge the price. Some of these sheets were 11 feet long. Do it in writing ( this writing stuff is soooo slow) and use the College Park MD address previously posted. I also went there and spent a day going through pictures. It was an experience Steve Berti SI NY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Here Comes the Navy - VCR Alert Here Comes the Navy The classic movie starring the USS Arizona will be on Turner Classic Movies on Friday July 12 at 0130 EDT. Oh, yeah, there were some famous people in the movie, too; James Cagney, etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "John Rule" Subject: BEC and Canada >> Now are you happy Darren your not last Mike is. This is all a Canadian plot to declare war on the USA and then surrender and ask for a couple of hundred billion dollars in war damages!<< My God!! Are we so transparent. While you are at it can you lend us some large transport planes, possibly some Ro-Ro ships, and for that matter some helicopters wouldn't go wrong either. Just in case we need to go to war but have way to get there. WTIC (Yeah. Right!!!!) John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: William Swan Subject: Re: C-3 Hull / USS Tangier Class seaplane tender >> I have a friend who's grandfather served on the USS Tangier (AV-8). He wants to model her and so far I found that the hull was a C-3 and I know Revell made the Hawaiian Pilot in ~1/400 which was a C-3. Also the Revell USS Pine Island has some seaplane tending gear in the same scale with an aircraft. These may be kitbashed to make the Tangier. Does anyone have either of these two kits available? I saw the Pine Island on eBay but have not seen a Hawaiian Pilot. On the other hand... does anyone make a 1/700 Tangier Class model? How about a 1/700 C-3 hull/model? I know Jim Shirley had one, but any other providers? Thanks... << Ralph, I can help with the ships you are looking for please contact me off list at wswan@ix.netcom.com. You do not want to use a Hawaiian Pilot to do what you plan, a Burleigh would be a much cheaper choice. Hawaiian Pilots that are unstarted or at least not worked on substantially sell for $75-150 on Ebay. Burleighs sell much cheaper. They are essentially the same kit with minor modifications with the Burleigh in all probability being the better choice. William Swan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "michael thrupp" Subject: Re: micro modelling idiocy Thanks Tim - that's the first time I laughed out loud while reading a posting. Regards Mike Thrupp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Steve Cowardin Subject: Other Places of Interest for IPMS Ever returned from a vacation only to learn that while you were there, you were so close to a another place of interest and didn't realize it? I now live in Richmond which is about 100 miles from Virginia Beach where I lived for 15 years. Since so many are coming to IPMS this month and perhaps some from great distances, please bear with me as I list a few places I like to go and most even with my family. VIRGINIA BEACH - The Convention Center is located at the end of the Virginia Beach Expressway. - Across the road from the Center is a small but marvelous Modern Art Museum - At the Northern most part of the beach is Fort Story (still do amphib landings) and Seashore State Park - many miles of hiking, dunes, Spanish moss, creeks Blackbeard used the fresh water here to refresh his crew. He would kill the crew manning the lights at the harbor, extinguish the fires, and set new fires miles down the beach. Incoming ships would run aground only to be plundered. - At the Southern end of the Beach is Sandbridge If you want to avoid the hotels and rent a house on or near the ocean www.sandbridgerealty.com $ Also there is Back Bay Wildlife Preserve which is federal gov't, runs to North Carolina, pristine dunes, wild horses, snakes, deer, etc. wide beach (no swimming), - In between at the resort area - what can I say? I'm an Episcopal priest!! miles of hotels, bars, and beach! - Oceana master jet base. I don't know if a tour is possible as it is usually one busy place! Any naval aviators in the group to arrange one? Anyway it's fun to watch just driving by it. NORFOLK (20 minutes) - Naval Station what can I say. BIG! subs to carriers Boat excursions are the best way to see the ships. Knowing somebody the best way to see the docks and air station. - Waterside on the harbor Nauticus museum and USS WISCONSIN - WOW! - Chrysler Museum nice art collection HAMPTON (across the harbor tunnel) - Casemate museum at Old Point Comfort. This is the fort from which thousands watched the battle between the ironclads, Jefferson Davis was imprisoned here. Still an active army base. NEWPORT NEWS - SHIPBUILDING GIANT - Newport News War museum small but great. Outside many naval guns, Inside many uniforms, weapons. One of three remaining German 88s nicely preserved - Mariner's Museum LOTS OF MODELS Crabtree models, exhibits, small boats one-man "Niger" submarine, stunningly beautiful Venetian gondola. YORKTOWN - Visitor's Center see the place where the French fleet lay anchored while Lord Cornwallis surrendered his sword WILLIAMSBURG - A whole town preserved as it was in the 1700's, governor's mansion, house of burgesses, many operating taverns and shops - no cars in preserved area - Busch Gardens a great place for adults as well as kids JAMESTOWN - reenactments from 1607 the three ships are there as well. RICHMOND - two hours drive but packed with museums and monuments from what Richmonders call the war of northern aggression" or "the recent unpleasantness" Confederate Museum, Battle Abbey, Tredegar (a recent addition that tries to deal honestly with the slavery) Marine Corps Raider Museum. just to name a few The Virginia Museum is a world class art museum TWO HOURS WEST OF RICHMOND - WASHINGTON, DC and BLUE RIDGE MOUNTAINS Hobby shops are in Virginia Beach, Denbigh (Newport News), Richmond, and Washington The area is rich with history Hope this helps If you have any questions please contact me. (please note my new e-mail address which comes from the Peter Sellers movies) Steve Cowardin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume