Subject: SMML VOL 1797 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:07:56 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Navy Divers Uncover Turret of Ironclad Union Warship; First Step in Recovery 2: Tim and his bearded Father! 3: Re: God foreseen 4: Re: Imperial Russian Ship of the Line "God's Predictive?" 5: Re: Ermmmm..... 6: Re: A call for help 7: Russian colours 8: Re: A call for help 9: Re: Ermmmm..... 10: Fujimi Lexington and Saratoga 11: General Casimir Pulaski 12: Paging Mr McLaughlin 13: uss lexington 14: Re: Final Countdown DVD 15: HMS Nottingham runs aground 16: Corsair(s) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Re: IPMS SMML GET TOGETHER.... 2: Re: Things to do at VA Beach 3: 2002 Nautical Research Guild Conference -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Tips on Aircraft Canopies 2: Re: Original Saratoga Scheme (early 50's) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Navy Divers Uncover Turret of Ironclad Union Warship; First Step in Recovery http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGATUXA3C3D.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "shaya" Subject: Tim and his bearded Father! I laughed out loud at the ending. Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Re: God foreseen >> This business of translating names is always tough and I prefer to work directly from the original language than from someone's attempted translation and then have to backtrack to the original. BUT - in my copy of Linyeenie Korabli e Fregatii Russkovo Parusnovo Flota - I found an entry for Bozhiye Predvideniye, 58 guns, 1700-1712. The name clearly refers to scripture and probably should be more literally translated as "foreseen by God" or "foreseen of God" - suggesting to me that it referred possibly to Christ. It would probably need someone more familiar with Russian ecclesiastical language to give you a more precise explanation of the phrase's meaning and how to best translate it into another language. << From my -limited- knowledge of Russian naval history I seem to have understood that it was quite normal to name ships after important biblical terms. After the fall of Constantinople in 1453 the Moscovite princes considered themselves to be the only real heirs to the Christian Roman Empire and thus the only guardians of the real faith (in contrast with those heretics in Rome). That's why they began calling themselves Czars - a shortened form of Ceasar. Orthodox christianity was as it were part of the reason the russian state existed - something like a state ideology. Giving ships bilblical names like Tri Svatelnye was part carrying out that divine ideology. By some strange quirk of fate the US also was founded by people thinking they were guarding the ony real faith against Rome, giving some of their cities biblical names, incorporating Christianity in their state ideology and later starting a navy that named its ships after those cities. Bozhiye Predvidenye has her US equivalent in the cruiser Providence.... Pieter Cornelissen Delft, the Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Daniel" Subject: Re: Imperial Russian Ship of the Line "God's Predictive?" >> I have seen a number of advertisements for this kit...it appears to be a two-decked ship of the line. The English translation of the ship's name is rather odd, however. Are there any Russian linguists on the list who might shed any light about this ship's 'real' name? << I'm hardly a linguist, but have studied the language and have some dictionaries. What are the original Russian words? I mean, what do they look like or how are they transliterated? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: Re: Ermmmm..... EMMMMMM Deutschland/Lützow and SCHUPE = SCHUPEE = SCHPEE + Spee? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: A call for help >> I have an original "Groeners Merchantfleets of the world 1941. It was on board of one of the german subs in Japan and I got it from a friend in Japan many years ago! It is falling now apart and needs repairs and new binding! Does anybody knows a bookstore,how does such type of repairs? << Your best bet is a bookbinder rather than a bookstore. Try asking at your local library who probably use the services of bookbinders from time to time. For DIY repairs you can often repair split spines using white all-purpose glue and wax paper. Simply inject white glue into the spine at the point needing repair, insert a piece of wax paper between the pages and close the book. After the glue has set you can remove the wax paper without any fear of pages getting stuck together. For torn pages a similar technique. Dilute the white glue with water and, with a paintbrush, run the diluted glue along the line of the tear. Cover both sides with wax paper and treat as before. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Russian colours Hi SMMLies, Need some help or advice. What would be the best match for colors of a modern Russian destroyer? That orange/ red they use on the deck has me stumped. I just picked up the Trumpeter 1:200 kit for $68 bucks. it's a pretty good kit with over 800 pc. Detail is pretty clean for it's size however the biggest down fall is the hull. it is not bad but it will need a little help at the bow. the stem is just too blunt and the sonar dome needs to be smoothed out some. The model comes in at 30.700 long. It also comes with photoetching for the railings and radar mast. biggest screw up is that they went out of their way to give the kit photoetched parts but did not make the radar screens photoetched. go figure, guess I'll have to scratchbuild them. Keith Hi Keith, I used Humbrol Matt Red Brown No 100 for my 1/700 Krivak II (check the SMML site for the full article), as recommended by Falk Pletscher and it looks ok. However (commercial break) WEM are bringing out Modern Russian colours in their colourcoat range in the near future, so that may well be the go here. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: A call for help >> I have an original "Groeners Merchantfleets of the world 1941. It was on board of one of the german subs in Japan and I got it from a friend in Japan many years ago! It is falling now apart and needs repairs and new binding! Does anybody knows a bookstore,how does such type of repairs? << I would talk to a local printer. They would probably be able to fix this book for you. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Terry Wiltshire Subject: Re: Ermmmm..... >> A conundrum (if we have been here before, sorry but I missed it): Announced on the Hobby Link site as upcoming 1/700 Tamiya kits are 'BB Deutschland' (well now, might that be the predreadnought, or is that too much to hope for?) and 'BB Schupe' (sic). BB Schupe? Pardon? Does anyone have any insight here? << If I remember correctly I first noticed this on the HLJ site a couple of years ago. I think it is an error we have seen the new Yamato, Indianapolis and Prinz Eugen since then. I asked a similar question somewhere which provoked some discussion on what Schupe might mean but it was all so long ago I can't remember what was said. However if you check the Fujimi list you will find "BB Graf Schpee, BB Deutschland, BB Schoer" (not my spelin). I've got an unbuilt one of these somewhere and it looked very nice in the box. Everyone on this list will know of the German Pocket Battleships "Deutschland/Lutzow, Admiral Graf Spee and Admiral Scheer". Draw your own conclusions! Terry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Jim Kloek" Subject: Fujimi Lexington and Saratoga If you do not have a copy of Steve Wiper's book on the Lexington class carriers, by all means get one. It has great photos of the two ships at various points in their lives, and has some documentation about just where those 1.1" guns which replaced the 8" guns were located. The Saratoga kit is in her late war fit, and the main thing you will have to do is add the hull blisters. I wrote an article in FSM a few years ago which described how to do this, and how to paint the dazzle camouflage on her. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Pletscher-Lenz-Schneider" Subject: General Casimir Pulaski This may be a bit off-topic, but visiting this year's Kiel Week was, among others, the Polish frigate Gen. K. Pulaski, the former USS Clark. As I was told, she was named after the Polish cavalery general Casimr Pulaski who served under George Washington in the American War of Independence. Can anybody provide more information on his life and career? Thanks in advance Falk Pletscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Bill Livingston" Subject: Paging Mr McLaughlin Hi, Could a Mr McLaughlin, recently in touch with WR Press, kindly contact me off list please? Unfortunately I only have part of your email address. Thanks, Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: uss lexington Hey I remember seeing some time ago, some guy did the Lady Lex as she was in WW2..boy it s was good diorama..had a fletcher DDg I think with her.. wish I could stratch build like that.. I think some major changes for her .. I think would around the whole sialnd area as if I remember correctly viewing from the kit diogram to the aircraft carriers in action there is a lot of modeifications to be made I think mainly down the rear of the island..but im sure someone will give you the full details..i wish there was a resin/plastic conversion for it ...sigh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: AJOWENS@aol.com Subject: Re: Final Countdown DVD Darren & anyone else looking for Final Countdown in USA - it has finally been released on DVD, I just recieved my copy on Thursday. Ordered it direct from Pacific Family Entertainment (back in March) cost $20 plus S&H IIRC. Flick is in widescreen format, no extras save for the original trailer but still a cool movie and a lot better than what the E-Bay-at-the-moon pirates were getting for used VHS copies. Should be out locally where you are soon, or you can order from Pacific Family. Cheers, A.J. Owens -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: HMS Nottingham runs aground Last night the HMS Nottingham ran aground on a marked reef, They hit the reef after trying to reach Lord Howe Is to off load a sick crew member. They have requested extra pumps to help pump out the water. Guess the Capt & the navigator both shouted LORD HOW ..sorry an Austentacious joke (for us aussies) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Steve Sobieralski" Subject: Corsair(s) According to the book Legenary Yachts by Bill Robinson there were four yachts named Corsair owned by the Morgan family. The first was bought by JP Morgan in 1882 and was 185 ft long. She was eventually outclassed by other financier's yachts so Morgan ordered the second Corsair in 1891. Corsair II was 241' in length and this was the vessel that was comandeered by the navy in 1898 and became the USS Gloucester. Not willing to wait for the navy to release Corsair II/Gloucester back to him, Morgan ordered an even larger (304') third Corsair. When JP Morgan died in 1913 his son Jack took over the yacht. In 1917, like her predecessor, Corsair III went to the navy, was stripped of her luxurious paneling and fittings and, outfitted with guns and depth charges, served as a convoy escort. After the war she was returned to Morgan who refitted her as a yacht and kept her until 1929 when she was sold back to the government and at this point became the Coast and Geodetic Survey Ship Oceanographer. She was again taken over by the navy in 1942, armed, and surveyed many of the Pacific islands during the war. She was decommissioned in 1944. Meanwhile, in January 1929 Jack Morgan had ordered the largest private yacht ever built in this country, the 343 ft. Corsair IV. In 1939 Morgan sold her to the British navy for one dollar. She became a gun boat and survived the war, only to run aground on a rocky shore near Aculpulco while on her maiden voyage as a cruise ship. An earlier post of mine had incorrectly identified Corsair II as the first Corsair and Corsair III as Corsair II. Steve Sobieralski -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Darren Subject: Re: IPMS SMML GET TOGETHER.... >> I had originally proposed a Harbor Tour, the 2 pm one which affords good afternoon shooting light for us for cameras....there are lulls in the tour where we can fraternize. << I'm with ya Ray, so that's Me, You, another guy coming with me, who else? (come on Colonel, get your feet wet). Darren -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Mark W. McKellar" Subject: Re: Things to do at VA Beach >> go drinking and more drinking and pick up girls. << Okay, you've convinced me.......I'm packing the car... Mark Boston (Just kidding - 22 years married here) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Mccullough, Vincent" Subject: 2002 Nautical Research Guild Conference I've just finished updating the NRG's web site to add details on the 2002 conference. The conference this year is being sponsored by the Philadelphia Ship Model Society, and will be held at the Sheraton Bucks County Hotel in Langhorne (sububan Philadelphia), Pennsylvania the weekend of 17-20 October. The web site provides details, including a list of speakers and tours, and has registration forms for the conference. The URL is: http://www.naut-res-guild.org/confer_files/confer02.html Past conferences have been a lot of fun, so by all means come if you can! Vince McCullough Webmaster, Nautical Research Guild -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "shaya" Subject: Tips on Aircraft Canopies We have added all the SMML Canopy tips to our website. Plus we are also linked to a great Japanese Site that has given permission to post a link to their Canopy build page. (When it says to translate Japanese reply "Cancel" it will stay in English mode. http://www.modelshipbuilding.com/aircraft_canopies.htm Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: wem Subject: Re: Original Saratoga Scheme (early 50's) >> Airwing combinations changed as rapidly as the technology of the jets being tested,bought and produced . Cutlasses("gutless"), Skyrays, Furies, Banshees, Demons, just to name a few, along with Skyraiders, A-3 Skywarriers, Trackers, HUP-3's, all appeared. The Crusader did not appear on the decks til about '61 or so- check references. << I've forgotten what scale we're talking about here, but remember that WEM has most of these aircraft available in 1/700. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume