Subject: SMML VOL 1798 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 03:39:03 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: Corsair(s) 2: best rails for 1/700 scale Jap destroyers & cruisers 3: Re: Casimir Pulaski 4: Re: HMS Nottingham Aground 5: Old Books 6: CSS Hunley documentary 7: Accuracy in reporting. Trust the electronic media 8: Source for Tony Tully's book "Total Eclipse" (on the battle of Cape Engano)?? 9: HMS Nottingham and oil canning 10: Naming Traditions 11: Halifax Documentary 12: Re: Corsair -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Re: IPMS SMML GET TOGETHER.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Gold Medal Models 2: Re: Russian colours -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: Corsair(s) >> Not willing to wait for the navy to release Corsair II/Gloucester back to him, Morgan ordered an even larger (304') third Corsair. << Though labeled simply CORSAIR, this is the version (III) depicted by the BlueJacket plans which, I believe, were drawn in 1934. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: best rails for 1/700 scale Jap destroyers & cruisers just a quick question..... the Flagship models WW2 USN navy rails... is that anygood for Jap destroyers or any Japanese warship except for the BB's as they have their own set?? or maybe even the WEM 3 - bar rails or maybe even the walkway set???? if not ..which is best??? regards Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Michael London" Subject: Re: Casimir Pulaski >> This may be a bit off-topic, but visiting this year's Kiel Week was, among others, the Polish frigate Gen. K. Pulaski, the former USS Clark. As I was told, she was named after the Polish cavalery general Casimr Pulaski who served under George Washington in the American War of Independence. Can anybody provide more information on his life and career? << You will probably find more info in a history of the Civil War particularly concerning the Siege of Savannah in 1779. Count Pulaski was listed as wounded in the abortive assault on the well-defended British position on October 9th. I can find no other ref concerning him in my library. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: HMS Nottingham Aground CREW BATTLE TO SAVE SINKING WARSHIP The crew of a Royal Navy destroyer are fighting to save their ship from sinking after it ran aground off Australia. HMS Nottingham, a Type 24 destroyer, was holed below the waterline and taking on water after hitting a rock near Lord Howe Island, 200 miles north east of Sydney. The Royal Australian Air Force are preparing to fly out heavy pumping equipment as navy divers wait for first light to inspect the damage. A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence says the 3,500 tonne ship is now stable and at anchorage off Lord Howe Island having been successfully refloated. "She has taken on water. There is a fair bit of flooding, we are trying to find out just how much there is," a MoD spokesman said. However, Ben Mitchell, of Australia Search and Rescue, says the incident had looked as if it could have been far more serious when the collision was reported by the harbour master at Lord Howe Island at 9.20pm local time. "At that stage the situation was extremely serious and there were concerns the ship may sink," he said. "Some consideration was given to beaching the vessel to prevent it sinking. The ship had been holed but the crew managed to stem the inflow of water and they got situation under control." There are no reports of any casualties among the vessel's 253 crew. An inquiry will now be set up to establish whether the ship's captain, Commander Richard Farrington, should face a court martial. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Snyder Subject: Old Books Hi Detlef, Look in the Yellow Pages for "Bookbinders" and look for one that specializes in restoring old books. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: CSS Hunley documentary Hi I see that Channel 5 is showing a documentary about the raising of the above on Friday 12th July at 2030. Robert Lockie Swindon UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Mike Kear" Subject: Accuracy in reporting. Trust the electronic media You can rely on the news media to keep you in the picture. This morning I heard Ray Hadley on Sydney's 2GB refer to the battleship HMAS Nottingham, which was apparently aground and sinking at Lord Howe Island. According to the report, which was broadcast 12 hours after the incident happened, sea water had flooded the mess decks and the ships magazine. Channel Ten News had the "stricken" destroyer HMS Nottingham, "sinking" off Lord Howe Island. But the pictures didn't seem to show any sign of stern in the air or anyone diving overboard. While the damage was clearly to the bows of the destroyer, they reported that copious quantities of diesel oil were flooding out of the ship to damage the fragile coral surrounding the island. (While Channel Ten had a camera team there, they were obviously a learner team because they were unable to get any pictures of the ship's bows showing any diesel oil floating on the water.) Channel Seven referred to the Mayday call from the British destroyer and an emergency dash from Richmond Airbase. They showed pictures of a RAAF Hercules, in green camouflage livery taking off at dawn to deliver pumps and special divers to the island to help with the emergency. Remarkably, the RAAF had managed to paint the plane low-viz grey scheme and change all four propellers to the new 5 bladed props used on the very new C130s by the time it landed at Lord Howe. You can't help but be astonished at the presence of mind on the part of the loadmasters at RAAF Richmond. Summoned out of sleep before dawn, they remember to pack a whole lot of paint for the plane as well as the pumps and divers. Although I haven't figured out yet how they repainted the aircraft in flight. You have to be sympathetic to the electronic media however. The incident happened last night while they would have been busy chilling the chardonnay ready for the tennis. The call from HMS Nottingham went out at about 9.30pm Sydney time, according to David Gray, the spokesman for Australian Search & Rescue. The print media at the Sydney Morning Herald apparently weren't as hamstrung with more important things like the Chardonnay and the tennis, because by their deadline time about 0100 this morning, just 3.5 hours after the call went to Australian Search & Rescue, they had quotes from many people, including the Royal Navy, the British MOD, Lord Howe's harbourmaster, Hugh Garnham, who is skipper of a yacht anchored nearby the location of the accident, and the ship's captain, Cdr Richard Farrington. The electronic news media, hamstrung by all their additional overheads were unable to produce quotes from anyone that I saw, probably because they were all far too busy getting their makeup right, and supervising the tennis and opening the Chardonnay. It's now nearly 24 hours after Nottingham went aground, with no injuries - remarkable for a ship that is apparently stricken and sinking and the TV and radio have not been able to find anyone capable of giving them a quote for broadcast. Truly amazing. Frightening in fact when you think that more people get their news from electronic media than any other source. I know they can't be experts in everything they have to report, but surely in all the time they've had since the incident was first reported, they have had plenty of time to determine if in fact the ship is sinking, if there were injuries, what the likelihood is of the ship getting underway or requiring a tow, and whether there is large amounts of diesel oil glugging from the bows to damage the fragile coral reefs. I think it's reasonable to expect that they consult someone who has ever been aboard a ship or knows something about naval matters at some time in the 24 hours after an incident like this. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia www.modelwarship.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Franz Aigner GmbH" Subject: Source for Tony Tully's book "Total Eclipse" (on the battle of Cape Engano)?? Does anyone out there in SMMLland know where I can buy this book? Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "David Clark" Subject: HMS Nottingham and oil canning Apart from running aground on a prominent rock, HMS Nottingham has provided an interesting example of 'oil canning' on prime time TV. Of more concern to Lord Howe residents is the diesel leaking from the oil can. The rescue efforts will provide interesting news items over the next week or so. David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: MIKE.LEONARD@customs.treas.gov Subject: Naming Traditions Pieter Cornelissen noted - >> Predvidenye has her US equivalent in the cruiser Providence.... << Reminds me of the flap that occurred when the LOS ANGELES-class submarine CORPUS CHRISTI (named after the city in Texas) was being built. Some overly-sensitive people were offended that a warship would be named "body of Christ" and the Navy finally compromised by naming the boat CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. MWL Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: MIKE.LEONARD@customs.treas.gov Subject: Halifax Documentary I finally broke down and got a DVD player. While struggling to install it the other day an excellent documentary on the HALIFAX class frigates came on. As luck would have it, I'd disconnected everything -- including the VCR! -- so I missed out on taping it. I forget the cable channel, but the program was called "Tech(something)". Does this TV series ring a bell with any of our Canadian members? MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Corsair There is a set of plans of Corsair second of the name, (the yacht was not named Corsair 11). in the Archives in DC, I believe under the name of USS Gloucester. They do exist because I obtained a set in the mid eighties. There is also a large model of her as USS Gloucester and the last time that I saw it, it was in the Navy Yard museum. There is a fully detailed large scale model of her (as Corsair) in the model room at the New York Yacht Club. There is also a complete set of accurate plans of her as the Corsair, these appeared in "Ships in Scale" magazine in the mid eighties. You might try the Morgan Library in NYC for photos. I hope that this is of some help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: AAA Hobby Subject: Re: IPMS SMML GET TOGETHER.... >> I'm with ya Ray, so that's Me, You, another guy coming with me, who else? (come on Colonel, get your feet wet). << Thursday is fine with me. Which boat? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SANDLE Hobbies Subject: Gold Medal Models SANDLE are now stocking Loren Perry's range of photoetch products - great for all sorts of things including railings and other bits for IJN vessels :-) Cheers Lorna http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: wem Subject: Re: Russian colours >> Need some help or advice. What would be the best match for colors of a modern Russian destroyer? That orange/ red they use on the deck has me stumped. SNIP However (commercial break) WEM are bringing out Modern Russian colours in their colourcoat range in the near future, so that may well be the go here. << Hi Keith (and Shane), I'm hoping that when Caroline and I return home to South Farm on Thursday that we'll find the modern Russian colours (Northern Fleet Grey, Deck Red, and Deck Green) waiting for us to apply the labels. At any rate, they're in the pipeline and will be available soon. As always...they're accurately matched to original sources. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume