Subject: SMML VOL 1812 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:01:42 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Ship's boats 2: Re: Small Parts and carpets 3: Re: Turrets etc 4: Toms' Modelworks new items 5: Royal Navy uniforms 6: Interesting item on eBay 7: Re: Turrets 8: Re: Mountings and Turrets 9: Higgins Boats/PT Boats in New Orleans, LA 10: Re: my stuff 11: Mosquito Fleet Book 12: Colour 13: British Standard Ships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Colourcoats News 15 July ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Richard Sweeney Subject: Ship's boats Hello, Does andyone know of a book which would describe and possibly give plans for Naval Ship's boats as I need to build some for different ships that I'm building. Thanks. Rich Sweeney ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: Small Parts and carpets I solved the problem during the complete renovation of our hobby room. We installed peel-and-stick floor tiles in a very light color, with a simple pattern in a mildly darker pattern. I sweep the floor regularly, and anything that goes "ping" shows up clearly on the floor. The only trouble I've had is if a piece has glue on it and hits my person or the model its supposed to be joining, but statistically most parts seem to head floorward. Joe Poutre ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Turrets etc Mature statements etc, I am of an age when I do not really know what they mean anymore. When I was young and stupid I used to make absolute statements (in print) and they sometimes turned out to be wrong. Now I am old and still stupid (sort of). When my first book was published I proofed every page except the title page. As a result my name was spelt incorrectly on the introductory page. I am also one of the very few authors who has had a book 'printed' with my name as the author when in fact the volume was written by one Maurice Northcott. This was the book entitled 'Hood Design and Construction'. I still have the printed cover as proof. If Maurice would please contact me on this matter I will send him the cover in question. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: Toms' Modelworks new items In SMML 1808, Tom Harrison announced several of his new products. I'd like to ask him how is the 1:400 scale set for the German U-boats progressing? I know that his New Releases page lists them as a Fourth Quarter (2002) release. It also says that due to the size - it may develop into a second set. With the number of U-boats kits that have been released by Mirage, I'd like to see the set(s) grow to meet the need. Ed Mansfield, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Royal Navy uniforms Dear All, I hope someone out there may be able to help me. I am currently working on White Ensign's 1/700 HMS Warspite. This depicts her in her 1942 fit, at which time, my references tell me, she was stationed in the Indian Ocean. My question is, what would the usual working dress be, for RN ratings in the tropics at this time? And just sailing along, not at battle stations. Would they be wearing shorts or would long trousers be permitted? And what colours? Officers would, I assume be in whites with short trousers, but if someone can tell me that the other ranks tended to wear long ones I would be very glad, because I don't exactly relish the idea of filing the bell bottoms off 100 photo etched figures to try to approximate the shape of knobbly knees!!! Also, and I hope nobody objects to it being a bit off topic, because it relates to the same ship model, does anyone know when the Royal Navy in the far east removed the red centres from its aircrafts' national markings? Regards, David Griffith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: paulship37@aol.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay I saw this item for sale at eBay: 1/600 French Charles de Gaulle!! Rare!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1749787494 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: VONJERSEY@aol.com Subject: Re: Turrets what is the difference between a turret and a barbette? ken auslander ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From:John Currie: Subject: Re: Mountings and Turrets As a Royal Naval Gunner of 27 years service so far here is what i have been taught and teach. Turrets are fully enclosed, example 4.5 Mk VI as on the Darings/Leanders/Type 12's Mountings are open at some area be it at the rear like the 4.5 Mk V as Carried by Cavalier/Tribal class Frigates, also in to the Mounting category come the following, Pom Poms/40mm Bofors, 20mm single/Twin, and the 8 barrelled Corvus Chaff Launchers come under the wing of Mounting. Hope This Helps J W Currie, Chief Petty Officer, Royal Navy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Lawman555@aol.com Subject: Higgins Boats/PT Boats in New Orleans, LA Gentlemen/Ladies; I feel very foolish and dumb as to not have recorded any info on the Higgins boats and New Orleans when I heard about it before. Of course, I probably would have lost it before coming down here. I am currently in New Orleans and would like any info about the Higgins boats and their location and setup in Louisana. Thanks ahead of time to any that can reply. Jim Myers http://members.aol.com/lawman555/subchaser.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Andrew Jones" Subject: Re: my stuff >> the last cruiser built for the USN was Long Beach. All subsequent "cruisers" were built to destroyer specifications with respect to hull construction, equipment fit, and basic survivability. (Note, for example, that the first Ticos were originally classed DDs, and the Leahys/Belknaps were DLGs.) << Hi there... so without starting a battle or any arguments between SMML people here.. why then are the Ticonderoga class ships listed as cruisers (CG)???????? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Mosquito Fleet Book "Building The Mosquito Fleet: The U.S. Navy’s First Torpedo Boats" By Richard V. Simpson Arcadia Press 2001 / 160 pages / $24.99 / ISBN 0-7385-0508-0 This is a fine soft cover book on US Navy torpedo boats and destroyers from the 1880s to the pre-WW1 era. Features 130 black and white photographs and period illustrations, providing a good deal of information on these vessels. The first 35 TBs and torpedo boat destroyers are covered. Chapters include experimental craft, foreign influences, torpedo development at Newport Naval Station, TB tactics, and the use of torpedo boats during the 1898 war with Spain. Highly recommended. MWL Alexandria, VA USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "John Rule" Subject: Colour At last I have found a copy of the 1929 Munsell Book of Color, albeit so far only the abridged pocket edition. However, I do have a problem with referring everything back to the 1929 Munsell. Although it allows for identification of US Naval paints, as I believe they were described in terms of the 1929 Munsell, it is of very little use for the colours of other navies. Another shortfall I find with the 1929 Munsell is the relatively small number of chips resulting in a great deal of interpretation and estimation on the part of the researcher. I have obtained a book produced by the Glidden Paint Company, a division of ICI. called the Glidden Master Palette. This book or binder, measuring 12" wide by 18" deep contains 47 pages of colour chips arranged scientifically using the same parameters as Munsell. The division of the Circle of Hues is different but follows the same principle. The major advantage is that each page represents a particular hue (or division on the Colour Circle) and contains 118 variations of Value (Reflectance) and Chroma. The book also contains two pages of "Bright Colours" containing 364 paint chips and more importantly, two pages of "Greys", with 126 chips per page. The book contains a total of 6,134 paint chips. The book which is used in stores supplying Glidden Paints, enables the store to accurately mix paint to a specification. None of the colours have names, but merely alpha numeric descriptions. A sample description would be 70RB 19/055, where 70RB is the hue, 19 is the reflectance in percent and 055 is the chroma or degree of saturation which ranges upward from 0 (grey) and is open ended at the upper end with, dependent on hue, chromas going as high as the 800's in the "Brights". In a lot of ways defining colours through a modern scientific method of identification makes infinitely better sense than keeping reverting back to the 1929 Munsell. This, in most cases involves one person who "knows" what the colour is going to a library that has the 1929 Munsell. He then attempts to interpret the colour by interpolating between too few chips and assigns a description. Anyone else wanting to use or check this information has firstly to find a library with the 1929 Munsell then attempt to interpolate in reverse to try to relate the description to some usable reference. Although I appreciate that a lot of this has been carried out by S&S, and though I have all their sample chips, I still have difficulty with some colours. One for example which constantly is a problem is that I can't reconcile myself to the S&S B55 Paint Chip on their Royal Navy Set 2. B55 by description is a Light Blue Grey with a reflectance of 55%. Among other things it was used with White in the Western Approaches scheme. The description of the mix in David Williams Naval Camouflage book is 1 part Green Paste, 16 parts Blue Black Paste, 376 parts Zinc Oxide White and 320 parts White Lead Oil Paste. This description would lead one to conclude that the colour would end up with a hue being slightly on the green side of blue. However the S&S chip appears to be close to a Yellow Hue. Comments welcome. Sincerely, John Rule Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Dean, Tom" Subject: British Standard Ships Hi Gang: After reading Art Herrick's reply to my question, I realize that I phrased the type of ship incorrectly. I think it should have read "British Standard Ship Type Bravo" built 1919. Art's reply was very helpful and I will pass it on. Thanks. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: Colourcoats News 15 July More paints arrived this morning. Now in stock and shipping: Rounding out the modern colours: M11, Modern Russian Northern Fleet Grey M12, Modern Russian Deck Green M13, Modern Russian Deck Red (Now you can all paint those SOVREMENNYs, and not worry about matching/mixing that deck red.) More Kriegsmarine colours: KM01, Hellgrau 50 KM02, Dunkelgray 51 I expect the balance of the Kriegsmarine colours to arrive over the next two weeks. We have obtained samples of modern JMSDF grey and deck grey, and will be sending these off for matching and adding to the line of modern colours. Then it will be time to move on to expand the WW2 Royal Navy colours. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume